Not trying to get anybody upset here or start flamewars 3.
Myself and quite a few of the guys that post here, guys that I race with,
have tried GP4. People that I have spoken to about it, in general have the
same opinion as myself. I have used racing sims / games since F1GP was
around.
As you know this was the first of the GP series. I have done extensive
tampering with GP2 and 3. No matter what I have tried, I have never even
closely reproduced the "feeling" of the physics engines of GPL or even
F12002, or even LFS for that matter. IMHO even ICR2 had a lot better feel to
it than any of the GP series.
Now here I must admit the following:
I heard a lot of bad reports about GP4, even before hearing the General
consensus about it on R.A.S.
With that in mind, I borrowed a copy of GP4, installed it and gave it a try.
At first it was undrivable, after using the Auto Graphics Config.
I then tried running it a few more times. It was better.Got onto R.A.S.,
Tried a few of the Tips, Tricks, Tweaks etc.
Now Don't get me wrong, the game was playable. One guy on R.A.S. said that
he loved the game as a non serious sim, and used the Hotseat function when
his Buddies came around and got Zonked together.
Now I admit that I have NOT spent hours tweaking it and messing with it to
try and get the feel better.
The reasons for this are:
1. IMHO GP4 still has the same feel as GP3 and 2.
The Car seems to Handle like it is on rails, then suddenly it is gone.
( This is very reminiscent of F1RS )
2. GP4 is letdown by the lack of any Online ability.
Now just remember these 2 things:
This is all only IMHO (everyone is entitled to that)
If anyone has any more tips on setting the car or controls etc up, that will
give the car a more realistic (IMHO) feel, please Post and I will try your
recommendations and take the big McLaren out for a few more laps.
Nobody wanted The GP series to be good more than I did. I rushed down to the
Computer store like a Dog on Heat the day GP2 was released.
This still didn't change my opinion of the Game or of what I think of the
Series now.
By very strong contrast, When I first installed GPL I thought it was the
biggest pile of Shiite that had ever been written. But after learning a bit
about it, and tampering a bit, and realising that these old (no winged) cars
were supposed to be 4 wheel drifted around corners, It ended up as being the
most rewarding SIM that I have ever used.
My respect for it now has only increased, with the hardware that exists now,
this SIM is truly awesome, even if its graphics by today's standards are
only so so.
After 2 years of the CD sitting in it's box, I am now enjoying it more than
ever.
I am always willing to keep an open mind about anything, no matter what
others have to say about it.
In my experience, most of the guys that post at R.A.S. are the same.
Darf
> You are exactly the attitude I am talking about. I'm willing to bet you've
> never even driven GP4.
> In this group we get a lot of posts from guys like you, in the manner in
> which you post. A whole lot of "shirt", not so much "stuffing". You're
> statement on it's own indicates that you would never touch a Crammond
game.
> It also indicates that, had you, you would slander it regardless of you
real
> opinion. After all, you do have a reputation to keep up here, and changing
> your mind about something on r.a.s. would be to commit credible suicide.
> The problem, as I see it, is not your opinion of GP4 because you are well
> entitled to it whatever your reasons. The problem is in the fact that you
> answered my post. Reading through the GP4 posts on r.a.s., one comes away
> with the distinct impression that it is the single worst driving and
racing
> simulator that has ever been produced. Nothing could be further from the
> truth. Also, the fact that you cite "the simracing community" as the
> authority in your post (another thing that leads me to believe you have
> never driven GP4, not having an opinion of your own) is a cheap trick.
> Unfortunately, it becomes more effective every time it is uttered. If the
> "simracing community" that will follow you and those like you, rather than
> think on their own, could have the clarity of mind to make their own
> decisions - an approach without bias and preconception - many of them
would
> side against "the simracing community". No so much for the need to take a
> side, mind you. But rather to simply choose what they perceive to suit
their
> individual needs more satisfactorily.
> That being said, GP4 is an excellent racing simulator. As good as anything
> else available anyway. It is a superior driving simulator because of the
> tire model alone. (Although you would have to have had some experience at
> the limit of adhesion to recognize it and there in lies the flaw with
> marketing it to the general public. In this forum however, I would have to
> assume that that is what we would treasure as much as anything else.) What
> it isn't, is racing software. All "sims" should be racing software, at
least
> since GPL came out. It's unfortunate that more titles aren't up to date in
> multiplay.
> Confusing the abilities of any title is unfair to those who come here for
> information. In the case of GPx it's outright bigotry. There are so many
> things that I want to explore with GP4 but am afraid to post here. I fear
> asking a simple question and getting 40 replies that all but answer the
> question. I fear the prejudice and close minded conformity that will
> disallow even the good natured response from providing any real substance.
> ...and it's all because of ***s like you that have nothing
constructive
> to add and, apparently, a whole bunch of spare time.
> ...maybe you should get a hobby...
> ...like driving a sim or something. At least then your posts would be on
> topic and substantive.
> --
> "Nothing gets closer!" - Crammond
> mark
> > > The UI is atrocious. It's as if Crammond wants GP4 to fail. (Maybe he
> > does.)
> > > But, if you can manage to get all the helps turned off, the controller
> set
> > > up, the graphics at a sensible PO and FF turned off, you will be
treated
> > to
> > > the finest *driving* simulator offered for PC. The *** is, with the
> > > attitude that 95% of the people here have, you will never actually
> > > experience GP4.
> > > ....as 95% of the people here have not, as is obvious from the
> inaccuracy
> > of
> > > 95% of the posts about GP4.
> > Sorry, that doesn't convince me at all. GP4, or any title in the
history
> of
> > *** that will continue to bare all the idiosyncrasies of a Geoff
> Crammond
> > game engine is and WILL fail to be considered by the simracing community
> as
> > a serious racing simulator.
> > Even if it hides some little hint of gem, it's still mixed up with a ton
> of
> > turd.
> > --
> > -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
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