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For those who believe GPL-era cars did not get sideways....

Tadej Krev

For those who believe GPL-era cars did not get sideways....

by Tadej Krev » Fri, 09 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Hi !

I completely agree on the lower statement :o)
They were sliding a lot, and they could easily afford it since the limit between
slipping and gripping
was way wider then it is with today's slicks. Today you have grip, or you don't have
grip. It's that
simple (like black & white), back then it was all gray ;o)

Cheers,
Tadej

schwab

For those who believe GPL-era cars did not get sideways....

by schwab » Fri, 09 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Hehe... :-)

It took a while, but now we are on the same page... see you Saturday at
Monaco! :-)

--Dave


> Hi !

> I completely agree on the lower statement :o)
> They were sliding a lot, and they could easily afford it since the limit between
> slipping and gripping
> was way wider then it is with today's slicks. Today you have grip, or you don't have
> grip. It's that
> simple (like black & white), back then it was all gray ;o)

> Cheers,
> Tadej

> > My whole point was simply that the cars were more visibly sliding back
> > then, as opposed to now... and no one can convice me otherwise. I'm a
> > stubborn SOB! :-)

> > --Dave

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Dave Schwabe
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http://users.wi.net/~schwabe
Marko Viitane

For those who believe GPL-era cars did not get sideways....

by Marko Viitane » Sun, 11 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Again, all of you are talking about Monza..._there_ is no overtaking
problems usually...

In...let's say Watkins Glen it is very difficult to overtake warping
backmarker. Easiest way to do it is to move out of the racing line in coming
out of the turn and this way giving a lot of room to overtake...you don't
have to (and shouldn't)ease throttle much to do this, and do NOT ease
throttle if he's already in your slipstream, just move out of the racing
line. Don't do this in coming into the turn, then it works just the opposite
ways...keep your line and ease throttle if he is _already_ beside you.

I think that's the way to do it in general, though every detail in the
current situation makes a big difference.

The thing that makes it so difficult is that in GPL we have drivers who do
even 20-30 seconds slower laptimes and spin all than time. They didn't have
this problem back in '67, so that's why I think these "spinners" should give
room right away, instead of trying to make things smooth way, if they just
don't have skill to do that. Best solution naturally is always to practice
more, but they just don't seem to do it...


>>2) Faster car behind me... lapping me.

>I generally follow the same strategy as item 1.  If he's faster, then he
>can find a way around me.  Again, if I decided it's the prudent thing to
>do, I'll move over, but only if I feel like it.  I certainly don't
>overtly block faster drivers, but they'll have to work for the position.
>For instance, at Monza with a fast Lotus or Eagle on my butt, I'll come
>out of the Parabolica and scoot to the right, but I will NOT slow down.
>A properly setup Lotus/Eagle can outrun a Brabham on the Monza front
>straight.  If they don't make the pass, then they'll have to follow me
>around the track again.

>It would be REALLY nice if we only got a blue flag (or even a blue flag
>with a yellow stripe) if the car behind us is about to lap us.
>Otherwise, we shouldn't see a blue flag at all (just my opinion).

>>3) Overtaking slower cars... either for position or backmarkers.

>You're faster - it's your job to find a way around him.  You should NOT
>expect him to just go belly up on you and let you by.  You should NOT try
>passing him in a turn.  You caught him for a reason, and that reason was
>most probably that he botched up more than one turn. You don't want to
>put yourself in a position to let him take you out in a turn.  You also
>don't want to follow too closely or directly behind him.  Analyze his
>line (again assuming he will maintain this line throughout the course of
>a lap), and find a turn that you can get a good rtun on him.  THEN set
>yourself up for that turn on the next lap and blast by him on the
>subsequent straight.

ddjhenri

For those who believe GPL-era cars did not get sideways....

by ddjhenri » Sun, 11 Apr 1999 04:00:00

  Hey!  I resemble that remark!
dave henrie
Eldre

For those who believe GPL-era cars did not get sideways....

by Eldre » Mon, 12 Apr 1999 04:00:00



>The thing that makes it so difficult is that in GPL we have drivers who do
>even 20-30 seconds slower laptimes and spin all than time. They didn't have
>this problem back in '67, so that's why I think these "spinners" should give
>room right away, instead of trying to make things smooth way, if they just
>don't have skill to do that. Best solution naturally is always to practice
>more, but they just don't seem to do it...

Part of the problem online may be the 'adrenaline factor'.  I can get AROUND
Zandvoort, just not quickly.  In one online race, I kept trying to stay
with/ahead ot the hotshoes.  I ended up in situations where I was over my head.
 Spun out a lot.  It wasn't a matter of practice - I'd done that offline.  It
was being 10 seconds slower than the drivers ONLINE that made me overdrive the
car.

Eldred

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