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GP3 carshape

R4

GP3 carshape

by R4 » Sun, 02 Jul 2000 04:00:00

I know this is an old debate, so if you don't want to read it.....

Ok, I know GP3 only has one carshape, which considering GP2 has 2
is.......well you know, plain odd.

The thing that gets my is that the car doesn't even look like an F1 car, but
much more like an F3000. No, seriously it really does look just like a
current F3000.

I just can't understand this one. GC, such a fussy man over details (so
we're told) yet he isn't fussed over this one detail.

Strange

David C (R4)

ymenar

GP3 carshape

by ymenar » Sun, 02 Jul 2000 04:00:00


It looks odd indeed, but it really looks more like a 1998 Formula 1 than
people might think.  Best example is to look at the first ferrari in 98.
The only problem is that the GP3 nose goes too much down compared to any
real-life 98 F1 car.

http://www.alphaf1.com/gp3/pics/hung38.jpg

http://www.forix.com/asp/photos.asp?z=0&k=0&l=2&x=101&f=1998/06003_DH...

Compare those two pictures from Forix and AtlasF1.

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Jo Helse

GP3 carshape

by Jo Helse » Sun, 02 Jul 2000 04:00:00



>> The thing that gets my is that the car doesn't even look like an F1 car,
>but
>> much more like an F3000. No, seriously it really does look just like a
>> current F3000.

>It looks odd indeed, but it really looks more like a 1998 Formula 1 than
>people might think.  Best example is to look at the first ferrari in 98.
>The only problem is that the GP3 nose goes too much down compared to any
>real-life 98 F1 car.

>http://www.alphaf1.com/gp3/pics/hung38.jpg

>http://www.forix.com/asp/photos.asp?z=0&k=0&l=2&x=101&f=1998/06003_DH...

>Compare those two pictures from Forix and AtlasF1.

Thanks for showing us this FACT.

AND: the DRIVER HEADS are the correct size! As we know that is just about the
most difficult thing to get right in a F1 sim.  ;-)

JoH

------- The best way to accelerate a Mac is 9.81 m/s2 --------
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Gradee

GP3 carshape

by Gradee » Sun, 02 Jul 2000 04:00:00


It has 3 actually:-)

Yeah, your very right about that. Thing is though that the cars are actually
based on the Arrows we are led to believe and they do actually look lke the
Arrows.... combine that with slight deformations in the screenshots and they
look damn near F3000 cars.....

Although,in the proper game the cars will look more "stretched" than in the
screenshots so it should work out ok.

TToomm

GP3 carshape

by TToomm » Sun, 02 Jul 2000 04:00:00

R4 wrote;

One car shape probably allows code optimizations.  
Just like F1 2000 all cars have same sound, even
though SCGT allowed different sounds.   I think
all GP3 car physics will be the same?   If so, it's
fine with me, ought to run faster than F1 2000, which
already has different car shapes and physics.  No
point in putting out the same game just different name.

Well, he's not going to beat F1 2000 in car shapes, since it
does the current season cars pretty good.   He has to
provide an alternative, a reason to buy GP3.  And he
can do that by fussing over stable and effecient code,
track accuracy, FF, replay, stable, right out of the box.  
If he has all that, I say let the cars go, and put the game out.

Tom

Andre Warring

GP3 carshape

by Andre Warring » Sun, 02 Jul 2000 04:00:00



<snip>

Quite a difference indeed. fortunately GC's car looks better :)

Andre

Bruce Kennewel

GP3 carshape

by Bruce Kennewel » Mon, 03 Jul 2000 04:00:00

The reason GP2 had two shapes was simply because the transition from low to
high noses was occurring.
Nowadays all the cars are equally ugly, ergo, no need for different shapes.

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Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
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amos-opu

GP3 carshape

by amos-opu » Mon, 03 Jul 2000 04:00:00

I agree, F3000....why?

Sudesh


> I know this is an old debate, so if you don't want to read it.....

> Ok, I know GP3 only has one carshape, which considering GP2 has 2
> is.......well you know, plain odd.

> The thing that gets my is that the car doesn't even look like an F1 car, but
> much more like an F3000. No, seriously it really does look just like a
> current F3000.

> I just can't understand this one. GC, such a fussy man over details (so
> we're told) yet he isn't fussed over this one detail.

> Strange

> David C (R4)

Jo Helse

GP3 carshape

by Jo Helse » Mon, 03 Jul 2000 04:00:00


>I agree, F3000....why?

Maybe because a current F3000 car looks like a '98 F1 car?

JoH

------- The best way to accelerate a Mac is 9.81 m/s2 --------
--------------------------------------------------------------

Dave Henri

GP3 carshape

by Dave Henri » Mon, 03 Jul 2000 04:00:00

in 98.
  Didn't the Ferrari and others start the year with dropped noses, and only
switched after getting their butt's spanked in the early rounds?  The last
low nose Ferrari was a beautiful design, but now...bugs  just plain bugs...
dave henrie
NTR

GP3 carshape

by NTR » Mon, 03 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Yeah I agree cars nowadays are very ugly and totally inefficient. Do you
wanna make a 1993 or 1994 carset with me for GP3 ?


shapes.

Bruce Kennewel

GP3 carshape

by Bruce Kennewel » Mon, 03 Jul 2000 04:00:00

BINGO!!
:-)
--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
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> >I agree, F3000....why?

> Maybe because a current F3000 car looks like a '98 F1 car?

> JoH

> ------- The best way to accelerate a Mac is 9.81 m/s2 --------
> --------------------------------------------------------------

Bruce Kennewel

GP3 carshape

by Bruce Kennewel » Mon, 03 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Well...I can't comment on whether they are inefficient or not.  I would
hazard a guess that they actually ARE efficient in what they do.  But in my
eye they are not attractive.

Thanks for the offer but no, I'll simply stick to what comes in the
box.....ugly or not! :-)
--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
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> Yeah I agree cars nowadays are very ugly and totally inefficient. Do you
> wanna make a 1993 or 1994 carset with me for GP3 ?



> > The reason GP2 had two shapes was simply because the transition from low
> to
> > high noses was occurring.
> > Nowadays all the cars are equally ugly, ergo, no need for different
> shapes.

NTR

GP3 carshape

by NTR » Mon, 03 Jul 2000 04:00:00

With all the rules like trapped bottoms and the profiled tires and the plank
they are inefficient


> Well...I can't comment on whether they are inefficient or not.  I would
> hazard a guess that they actually ARE efficient in what they do.  But in
my
> eye they are not attractive.

> Thanks for the offer but no, I'll simply stick to what comes in the
> box.....ugly or not! :-)
> --
> Regards,
> Bruce Kennewell,
> Canberra, Australia.
> ---------------------------


> > Yeah I agree cars nowadays are very ugly and totally inefficient. Do you
> > wanna make a 1993 or 1994 carset with me for GP3 ?



> > > The reason GP2 had two shapes was simply because the transition from
low
> > to
> > > high noses was occurring.
> > > Nowadays all the cars are equally ugly, ergo, no need for different
> > shapes.

Kai Fulle

GP3 carshape

by Kai Fulle » Mon, 03 Jul 2000 04:00:00

"> (Incidentally.....what's a "trapped bottom"?  Sounds most painful.)"

You never fail to amaze me Bruce...


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