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GPL tracks really shine !

Bill Met

GPL tracks really shine !

by Bill Met » Fri, 04 Dec 1998 04:00:00



>>Overall, the groove is very helpful in determining corner speeds.

>And braking points, although sometimes you can brake later - I wouldn't like
>to do without it.

  Ah ha!  So I'm not the only one that uses the groove as a reference
marker for braking points.  I'd always read comments about picking out
landmarks for braking points.  For me, this is very difficult, as the
tracks (other than Spa and Monaco) don't have big, in-your-face, sorts of
trackside objects.  I'd probably gain 1.5 seconds per lap if there were
bright orange sets of 3-2-1 cones at the tracks.

-Bill
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Ferdinand Trauttmansdor

GPL tracks really shine !

by Ferdinand Trauttmansdor » Fri, 04 Dec 1998 04:00:00


>I have had the pleasure of doing time trials at Mosport ...
>GPL does model it nicely; however, when driving in RL [Real Life?] I
>was much more aware of the acute altitude change in 2a and b than I
>am in GPL but that must just be because of the lack of sensory input
>inherent to all driving sims.  In GPL if (when!) I spin on that corner
>and look backwards *up* the hill then it is really apparent how much
>of an elevation change there is.

If only GPL could accurately simulate the ugly feeling of your
breakfast rising back up your throat every time the car gets light as
it crests that steep drop into turn 2 at Mosport.  And (unless you've
crashed) there's the satisfying feeling of breakfast settling back
into the pit of your stomach, and your cheeks sagging, and arms
getting heavy, as the positive g's build up at the bottom of the hill,
firmly pressing the car down on its suspension with a corresponding
huge increase in grip!

But on second thought, maybe it's better that those sort of things
aren't modelled too accurately.  There's a big tree, on the right edge
of the Nuerburgring track just before the Adenaur Forest section
that's had my face imprinted on it far too frequently.  It's a bummer,
having kept it all together for half a lap, to have everything come to
such a sudden and abrupt halt when wrapped sideways around that tree
(AGAIN!!).  When you look at the replay, you can't help but think to
yourself, "Oooh, that's gotta hurt!"

Luckily we can just hit shift-R and try it all over again with no
permanent harm done.  Too cool.

        -Ferdinand-

p.s.  I finally did three consecutive laps under 10 minutes at the
      Nurburgring.  Now if I could only cut out those three of four
      crashes per lap, I'm sure I could get into some competitive
      times.  But I'll have to take a chainsaw to that tree first...

Michae

GPL tracks really shine !

by Michae » Sat, 05 Dec 1998 04:00:00

the >Adenaur Forest section

I too have met that tree face on a few times. I wonder why they didn't cut
it down - I'll have to look on my Ringmasters '67 video and see if its
actually there - it was certainly removed when all the armco barrier was put
round the track.

I'm down to 8:30 on the Ring now. No spins, but I'm just not brave enough on
some critical sections. Especially after half a lap, you have so much
"invested" in a good lap you don't want to blow it and its hard to push.

- Michael

Michae

GPL tracks really shine !

by Michae » Sat, 05 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Stop at the right braking point in practice, then do a massive ***
burnout doughnut there. It'll still be there in the race!

- Michael

MeatWate

GPL tracks really shine !

by MeatWate » Sat, 05 Dec 1998 04:00:00

You just didn't hit it hard enough. I hit it real' hard, and now it's
gone...

"Excuse me, is this spray good for mosquitoes?" -"No, I'm afraid, it kills
them."

Mea***er


Michael schrieb in Nachricht

Ferdinand Trauttmansdor

GPL tracks really shine !

by Ferdinand Trauttmansdor » Mon, 07 Dec 1998 04:00:00


>>There's a big tree, on the right edge of the Nuerburgring track just
>>before the Adenaur Forest section

Michael replied:

Yeeeha!  I managed a lap at 8:59!  That still includes several spins,
so I'm certain there's a lot of time left to be shaved off.

I keep telling myself to just calm down.  But I still haven't
completed one, single, solitary lap of the Nuerburgring without
spinning or crashing somehwere.

The Nuerburgring is so awesome because *every* curve feeds directly
into another one, so one small mistake has immediate consequences in
the next curve, or the one thereafter.

It's just so tempting to try any one particular curve a little
differently to see if it's an improvement.  Then, just as you're
congratulating yourself on nailing that curve perfectly, you arrive at
the following curve slightly quicker than usual and run straight off
into the fence.

Yet every time around, I'm tempted to try it again.  So now I nail the
first curve just right, hang onto it through the second curve, and
promptly get spit out into the forest on the third curve.  Too cool.

There are so many sections like that where you have to recognise a
particular curve, not for the difficulty of this one curve, but for
the difficulty of the next three or four curves that immediately
follow in the series.

But it's so frustrating, as you said, to have "invested" an entire
9-minute lap only to crash again at the exact same spot as last time!
Instead, I've tried breaking it up into sections.  I'll run a short
section at speed, then stop, turn around, run it backwards, then try
it again, until it feels okay.  Then I'll move on to the next section
and practice that for a while.  But I STILL haven't managed to string
the whole thing together for one successful lap!

        -Ferdinand-

Michael Powel

GPL tracks really shine !

by Michael Powel » Mon, 07 Dec 1998 04:00:00

What we could do with is some split times through the various sections to
tell us if we're "up" or "down" on the previous lap. A bit like a rally
stage. Not very realistic though. It makes me wonder how the real drivers
learnt the Ring. Maybe they turned up for lesser races like F3 to get the
hang of the track.

- Michael

MeatWate

GPL tracks really shine !

by MeatWate » Mon, 07 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Michael Powell schrieb in Nachricht

I believe that most of us have already spent more time on the "Ring" than
the real drivers...

Jeff Vince

GPL tracks really shine !

by Jeff Vince » Tue, 08 Dec 1998 04:00:00

On Sun, 6 Dec 1998 14:08:41 +0100, "Mea***er"


>Michael Powell schrieb in Nachricht

>>It makes me wonder how the real drivers
>>learnt the Ring. Maybe they turned up for lesser races like F3 to get the
>>hang of the track.

>I believe that most of us have already spent more time on the "Ring" than
>the real drivers...

   Probably true.  At the 1967 German GP, drivers had to complete a
minimum of five laps in practice to assure minimal familiarity with
the circuit.  Jochen Rindt didn't, but was allowed to race since he
had driven there before.  How well did you run after only five laps at
the 'Ring?  (and how many shift-R's per lap?)  :)

"But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was
nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into
a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

Michae

GPL tracks really shine !

by Michae » Tue, 08 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Yes, but many of the experienced drivers such as Clark, Hill, Hulme, Gurney
etc. had raced there quite a few times before '67.

Not too good.

- Michael


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