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F1 2002 World ranking

Jonathan Dieh

F1 2002 World ranking

by Jonathan Dieh » Fri, 05 Jul 2002 02:38:07

Dave,

I don't have a problem posting valid laps either (I have a time on the
leaderboard for every track).

What we were discussing is how the game's criteria is completely
different than the telemetry/world ranking criteria.  I was suggesting
that EA patch the game so that it's criteria would match the telemetry
(thus making it more difficult in a normal race to cut corners).

Jon


> there prolly using the GAY AIDS....therefor can take inhuman ammounts
of
> curb due to stability.opp lock, steering help ammounts of curb none
aids
> drivers cannot as the car will fly into orbit on the curbing....maybe,
i
> never have a problem with a legal lap and use no aids.....using shit
loads
> of curb....maybe you guys are just used NFS or somthing....





> > > Exactly!

> > > That's the problem.

> > > Valid for game does not equal valid for World rankings list.

> > I can completely go off the track, where all four of my tires are in
the
> > grass, and it's still a valid lap time, in the game.  Surely you
can't
> mean
> > that this should be a valid lap time in the rankings?

> > The criteria is this-- very fair and objective, in my estimation--
you
> must
> > have at least two wheels (it may only be one) on the track at all
times.
> If
> > you're not getting valid times, then you're attempting to cut, where
all
> > wheels are off the track, completely.  Seems more than fair for me.

> > Alanb

> > > They need to patch it so that they are the same.

> > > Very frustrating when you've been used to racing one line in the
game,
> > > putting up good numbers, then you have to find new lines for
uploading
> to
> > > the rankings list.

> > > Jon



> > > > I have no idea what they're basing the legality of laptimes on,
but I
> > > > know that you can't follow the groove at either Monaco or
Australia
> > > > and have a valid laptime, as I've recorded dozens of laps where
I only
> > > > drive over the curbing where the groove indicates that you're
supposed
> > > > to.  Of course, they're all valid laps in the game.

> > > > Jason



> > > > >Alanb, you're absolutely right. It is just me not being fast
enough
> (in
> > a
> > > > >fair way) for the higher positions in the world ranking!
> > > > >I am racing in Monza, and there is plenty of room to cut off
the
> track,
> > > > >without your laptimes being invalid, but when you check the
same lap
> in
> > > the
> > > > >telemetry part, it is rejected for the world ranking. So, the
so
> called
> > > > >'cut-off margin' in the game itself is much wider than it is in
the
> > world
> > > > >ranking lists.

> > > > >Masa



> > > > >> Masahiro,

> > > > >> Actually the 'cut-off margin' for EA's hot lapping is not
bad.
> Fact
> > > is,
> > > > >> from how I understand it, as long as you have to tires on the
track
> > at
> > > a
> > > > >> time, then it's a go.  That's better than the centerline.
But then
> > you
> > > > >> can't expect your laps to be valid if you're completely off
the
> > track.
> > > > >> There's got to be some cut off, and it can't be something
like if
> > your
> > > car
> > > > >> is four car lengths from the track you're disqualified.  Two
wheels
> > > always
> > > > >> on the track is fair enough, IMHO.

> > > > >> Alanb



> > > > >> > Thanks. I've tried the statistics window before, but my
fastest
> > > laptimes
> > > > >> > were all rejected because of me cutting off the track too
much
> > :(  I
> > > > >think
> > > > >> > the 'cut-off margin' of the track is very (too) minimal.



> > > > >> > > Select statistics and another window appears.  Choose the
icon
> to
> > > > >upload
> > > > >> > lap
> > > > >> > > times, enter your email and password, and you're done.

> > > > >> > > Alanb



> > > > >> > > > From the telemetry screen, you can select the world
rankin
> > > system.
> > > > >> > > > How do you upload your laptimes to this ranking?

> > > > >> > > > Masa

Jonathan Dieh

F1 2002 World ranking

by Jonathan Dieh » Fri, 05 Jul 2002 02:44:51

I completely agree.  I'm sick of fighting to stay on the Silverstone top
100 because of all of the cheezers using the High steering help aid.
They should rework the valid lap computer to only accept times with 4 or
less "points" from using aids.  IE.  count the number of aids (2pts for
a HIGH aid) and that's your "aids" point number.

That would clear off the board pretty quick.

I think most of the sim. racers that are posting times are limiting
themselves to using only autoshifting, clutch help, low traction
control, and invunerability.

When I do an actual race, I turn invunerability off (I have it on for
doing hotlaps so that I don't have to re-pit and do another practice lap
coming out of the pits if I hit something).

I've been weaning myself off of autoshifting, but I think low TC and
clutch help are almost required to get a simulation feel from the
car....and almost everyone keeps invunerability on just as a convience
feature (since it doesn't aid your lap times at all).

Jon

PS.  What's your handle on the board?


> this ranking is full of LAMERS who use steering help now, therefor
this site
> is useless as steering help gives far more front end grip (2+secs per
lap)
> enabling total LAMERS to get P1 times.....I wonder is these LAMERS can
get
> 32 at suzuka using only Invulnerabililty??? or a 16 at cananda. I bet
the
> steering aids lamers that have appears above me there woundnt have a
hope in
> hell EA needs a RANK for LAMERS, and one for skilled sim racers who
use no
> aids outside of Inv, TC and autoshifting, the two later ones are also
a bit
> gay if you ask me but i suppose those should be allowed as there 2002
spec
> systems....as for yaw control, stablilty, ABS, Steering help, if you
think
> your fast with these on, no your GAY...dont see Luke McLean, Don
Duhum,
> Tridon, Risto Junnilainen <sp> et all the old GPL crew using GAY aids?
Top
> GPLer players seem the fastest at this game too without GAY
aids.....funny
> that :)

> Regards

> David Powell (no aids non lamer)


> > On Sun, 30 Jun 2002 22:41:31 GMT, "Alan Bernardo"

> > >Two wheels always
> > >on the track is fair enough, IMHO.

> > Somone should tell the AI cars that rule applies to them too.

David Powel

F1 2002 World ranking

by David Powel » Fri, 05 Jul 2002 03:18:52

I go by my name, only done some serious laps at suzuka so far.....which was
Top3 till the steering help turned up..Tridon and Luke are faster no aids,
No suprising as Luke has the world No.1 GPL ranking and Tridon is an old GPL
hand and experienced F1 2001 player...Im sure EA will sort a non lamer
ranking...no need for points just a seperate system for serious sim
players....

David


> I completely agree.  I'm sick of fighting to stay on the Silverstone top
> 100 because of all of the cheezers using the High steering help aid.
> They should rework the valid lap computer to only accept times with 4 or
> less "points" from using aids.  IE.  count the number of aids (2pts for
> a HIGH aid) and that's your "aids" point number.

> That would clear off the board pretty quick.

> I think most of the sim. racers that are posting times are limiting
> themselves to using only autoshifting, clutch help, low traction
> control, and invunerability.

> When I do an actual race, I turn invunerability off (I have it on for
> doing hotlaps so that I don't have to re-pit and do another practice lap
> coming out of the pits if I hit something).

> I've been weaning myself off of autoshifting, but I think low TC and
> clutch help are almost required to get a simulation feel from the
> car....and almost everyone keeps invunerability on just as a convience
> feature (since it doesn't aid your lap times at all).

> Jon

> PS.  What's your handle on the board?



> > this ranking is full of LAMERS who use steering help now, therefor
> this site
> > is useless as steering help gives far more front end grip (2+secs per
> lap)
> > enabling total LAMERS to get P1 times.....I wonder is these LAMERS can
> get
> > 32 at suzuka using only Invulnerabililty??? or a 16 at cananda. I bet
> the
> > steering aids lamers that have appears above me there woundnt have a
> hope in
> > hell EA needs a RANK for LAMERS, and one for skilled sim racers who
> use no
> > aids outside of Inv, TC and autoshifting, the two later ones are also
> a bit
> > gay if you ask me but i suppose those should be allowed as there 2002
> spec
> > systems....as for yaw control, stablilty, ABS, Steering help, if you
> think
> > your fast with these on, no your GAY...dont see Luke McLean, Don
> Duhum,
> > Tridon, Risto Junnilainen <sp> et all the old GPL crew using GAY aids?
> Top
> > GPLer players seem the fastest at this game too without GAY
> aids.....funny
> > that :)

> > Regards

> > David Powell (no aids non lamer)


> > > On Sun, 30 Jun 2002 22:41:31 GMT, "Alan Bernardo"

> > > >Two wheels always
> > > >on the track is fair enough, IMHO.

> > > Somone should tell the AI cars that rule applies to them too.

Manuel McLu

F1 2002 World ranking

by Manuel McLu » Fri, 05 Jul 2002 05:28:59


>I think most of the sim. racers that are posting times are limiting
>themselves to using only autoshifting, clutch help, low traction
>control, and invunerability.

Why low traction control and not high traction control?  I would suspect that
in the real F1 world the traction control software is so sophisticated that it
makes any production TC look like "low" and the F1 drivers get the best TC
there is...


..for in Ulthar, according to an ancient and significant law,
no man may kill a cat.                       -- H.P. Lovecraft

David Powel

F1 2002 World ranking

by David Powel » Fri, 05 Jul 2002 05:52:49

they limit themselves as high TC is actually slower, at least thats what ive
felt...to much slowing of the turns in F1 2002, I can get a harder acc with
no TC...low TC is about the same as non really...its hard but its quicker
without any...




> >I think most of the sim. racers that are posting times are limiting
> >themselves to using only autoshifting, clutch help, low traction
> >control, and invunerability.

> Why low traction control and not high traction control?  I would suspect
that
> in the real F1 world the traction control software is so sophisticated
that it
> makes any production TC look like "low" and the F1 drivers get the best TC
> there is...


> ..for in Ulthar, according to an ancient and significant law,
> no man may kill a cat.                       -- H.P. Lovecraft

Jonathan Dieh

F1 2002 World ranking

by Jonathan Dieh » Fri, 05 Jul 2002 08:45:38

Right.  what he said :-)

High TC is just too much, and low TC is just the right amount.

For me, it depends on the track whether or not I'm faster with it turned
on.


> they limit themselves as high TC is actually slower, at least thats
what ive
> felt...to much slowing of the turns in F1 2002, I can get a harder acc
with
> no TC...low TC is about the same as non really...its hard but its
quicker
> without any...





> > >I think most of the sim. racers that are posting times are limiting
> > >themselves to using only autoshifting, clutch help, low traction
> > >control, and invunerability.

> > Why low traction control and not high traction control?  I would
suspect
> that
> > in the real F1 world the traction control software is so
sophisticated
> that it
> > makes any production TC look like "low" and the F1 drivers get the
best TC
> > there is...


> > ..for in Ulthar, according to an ancient and significant law,
> > no man may kill a cat.                       -- H.P. Lovecraft


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