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Celeron and GPL

Jeff Mal

Celeron and GPL

by Jeff Mal » Fri, 09 Oct 1998 04:00:00

I'm glad someone noticed.  Yes that does mean Australia.  We have 22% slaped on all
hardware plus inport taxes plus our dollar isn't at strong at the US.

> Um, did y'all notice he said, "in Aus..."? Now I could be wrong, but I'm
> guessing that means Australia, where the prices might just be a little different
> then they are here.

> Ed Benson


> > You guys must be kidding right?  The price of a PII400 is over  1,600???
> > Yeah right!  This must be by itself right?  I just saw a computer:
> > PII400
> > 64 ram
> > 32x CD
> > blah, blah,blah(You know the rest nowadays)

> > For 1,600.  Now for a single Pentium to be that much is outrageous!




> > >> The "Strategy Guide" for GPL talks about the "third kind of Intel
> > >> Pentium"...that being the Celeron,
> > >> a computer for computer literate guys who can soup it up. is this correct
> > ?
> > >> Can you buy Celerons anywhere? Are they that economical? Do the big guys
> > >>  e.g. Dell, Gateway, etc. ) make them ?

> > >> Ok gurus educate me!

> > >> THANKS !

> > >> Tim A. Deatherage

> > >> "Admitted Sim ***"

> > >Go to the CeleRon Buyers guide for some good info
> > >http://www.racesimcentral.net/

Jan Otto Ruu

Celeron and GPL

by Jan Otto Ruu » Fri, 09 Oct 1998 04:00:00


>just put in an abit bx6 and a celeron 300a. the abit board does not support
>100mhz bus for celerons, read it at their site like I should have.

As Intel specify 66 MHz bus for Celeron, you cannot expect any manufacturer
to support 100 MHz bus for Celerons. So when I and others run it at higher
speed it's at our own risk.

Have you tried increasing the core voltage for the CPU? I had to increase it
to 2.1 volts to make it work properly. I have now been running it for three
weeks without any crashes (except "normal" windows crashes, and a lot of
crashes with the Ferrari in GPL).

-Jan Otto

Jeff Ha

Celeron and GPL

by Jeff Ha » Fri, 09 Oct 1998 04:00:00



I'm using the BH6 which has the celeron in the bios and allows the
overclocking.  Do you have your memory set for CAS3?  This is a more
conservative setting and I've been running that with no lockups at all
for about a month now.

Jeff

Peter Gag

Celeron and GPL

by Peter Gag » Sat, 10 Oct 1998 04:00:00



> just put in an abit bx6 and a celeron 300a. the abit board does not
> support
> 100mhz bus for celerons, read it at their site like I should have.
> 66x4.5=297mhz yes I know what people have been posting and I can
> run it at
> 100mhz bus but it crashes intermittently. also read that some ram
is
> unstable at 100mhz, did I mention that I also installed 128meg
> pc100 ram? I'll keep trying, but so far it ain't so good.

Well I've got a full one page Abit ad in the UK Nov 98 edition of PC
Direct, and it clearly states 100MHz supported!

Apart from anything else, if it *DIDN'T* support 100MHz it *WOULDN'T*
be a BX m/b!!! as they all support 100MHz.

And from the may posts I've seen regarding this, and the write-ups on
Tom's hardware page & Anands site, I'm confident it *will* work.

Sounds like you haven't got it set-up right? Have you tried altering
the voltage settings?

*Peter*    8-)
(NB: remove asterix to e-mail)

Mark

Celeron and GPL

by Mark » Sat, 10 Oct 1998 04:00:00

John, not sure if the Abit BX6 fully supports the Celeron overclocking
(I've got a BH6 which does).  Try running 75MHz bus if the mobo will
let you... if not, visit Tom's Hardware site for info on tricking the
mobo into letting you run a >66MHz bus.  You can also try 83MHz but I
read that some AGP cards frown on this.

Rgds & Good Luck,
Mark



>just put in an abit bx6 and a celeron 300a. the abit board does not support
>100mhz bus for celerons, read it at their site like I should have.
>66x4.5=297mhz yes I know what people have been posting and I can run it at
>100mhz bus but it crashes intermittently. also read that some ram is
>unstable at 100mhz, did I mention that I also installed 128meg pc100 ram?
>I'll keep trying, but so far it ain't so good.




>> >The "Strategy Guide" for GPL talks about the "third kind of Intel
>> >Pentium"...that being the Celeron,
>> >a computer for computer literate guys who can soup it up. is this
>correct ?
>> >Can you buy Celerons anywhere? Are they that economical? Do the big guys
>> > e.g. Dell, Gateway, etc. ) make them ?

>> Intel Celeron 300a with L2 cache is a very good choice for GPL. It can be
>> run at 450 MHz on a BX motherboard, giving P2 450 performance at a much
>> lower price. Read all about it here:

>> http://www.anandtech.com/reviews/processors/intel-celeron-300a/index....

>> -Jan Otto

Worker Workin

Celeron and GPL

by Worker Workin » Sat, 10 Oct 1998 04:00:00



> just put in an abit bx6 and a celeron 300a. the abit board does not
> support
> 100mhz bus for celerons, read it at their site like I should have.
> 66x4.5=297mhz yes I know what people have been posting and I can
> run it at
> 100mhz bus but it crashes intermittently. also read that some ram is
> unstable at 100mhz, did I mention that I also installed 128meg
> pc100 ram? I'll keep trying, but so far it ain't so good.

Not every Celeron overclocks well.

Other things to consider:
--Cooling: Do you keep your case and, more importantly, the 300A cool?
Some people have even found that their current fans on the 300A from the
factory weren't running.  There are super fans for the Celeron
available.
--Voltage: The Abit boards make it easy to up the core voltage of your
board.  Have you tried 2.1, 2.2 or even 2.3?
--Other componenets: Maybe another card is causing the crash.  Try
removing the sound card, network card and/or accelerator card if you
have any and see if the machine still crashes.

Good luck!

Eric Franze

Celeron and GPL

by Eric Franze » Sun, 11 Oct 1998 04:00:00

Actually, it is not all that inferior. The 300a does have a L2 cache but
only 128K vs. 512K.  But one advantage is that the cache runs at full
processor speed ala. PPro instead of at half the processor speed.  And it
was only the original 266 and 300(no a) without the cache that performed
poorly in windows.

Eric



Eric Franze

Celeron and GPL

by Eric Franze » Sun, 11 Oct 1998 04:00:00

John,
I've read that the bx6 boards don't natively support the celeron chip.  But
I believe you can download a bios upgrade that will fix that for you.

Eric



> just put in an abit bx6 and a celeron 300a. the abit board does not
support
> 100mhz bus for celerons, read it at their site like I should have.
> 66x4.5=297mhz yes I know what people have been posting and I can run it
at
> 100mhz bus but it crashes intermittently. also read that some ram is
> unstable at 100mhz, did I mention that I also installed 128meg pc100 ram?
> I'll keep trying, but so far it ain't so good.




> > >The "Strategy Guide" for GPL talks about the "third kind of Intel
> > >Pentium"...that being the Celeron,
> > >a computer for computer literate guys who can soup it up. is this
> correct ?
> > >Can you buy Celerons anywhere? Are they that economical? Do the big
guys
> > > e.g. Dell, Gateway, etc. ) make them ?

> > Intel Celeron 300a with L2 cache is a very good choice for GPL. It can
be
> > run at 450 MHz on a BX motherboard, giving P2 450 performance at a much
> > lower price. Read all about it here:

http://www.anandtech.com/reviews/processors/intel-celeron-300a/index....

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Jo

Celeron and GPL

by Jo » Sun, 11 Oct 1998 04:00:00


>Actually, it is not all that inferior. The 300a does have a L2 cache but
>only 128K vs. 512K.  But one advantage is that the cache runs at full
>processor speed ala. PPro instead of at half the processor speed.  And it
>was only the original 266 and 300(no a) without the cache that performed
>poorly in windows.

So is there any other advantage to the regular P2's other than the
larger cache? Also, what precautions should I take if I hope to
overclock the Celeron 300a?

Joe

Worker Workin

Celeron and GPL

by Worker Workin » Sun, 11 Oct 1998 04:00:00



> >Actually, it is not all that inferior. The 300a does have a L2 cache but
> >only 128K vs. 512K.  But one advantage is that the cache runs at full
> >processor speed ala. PPro instead of at half the processor speed.  And it
> >was only the original 266 and 300(no a) without the cache that performed
> >poorly in windows.

> So is there any other advantage to the regular P2's other than the
> larger cache? Also, what precautions should I take if I hope to
> overclock the Celeron 300a?

> Joe

No, the cache is the PII's only advantage over the Celeron.  For gamers
and everday users, the Celeron is the choice to make.  

As far as precautions, it looks like it's a crapshoot.  Some people seem
to be able to just set a jumper for thr FSB speed and Voila! They're
running 448mHz.

Others have to adjust the core voltage of the chip. The Abit BH6 and BX6
are, by far, the best motherboards for this since they allow all jumpers
to be manipulated in software by the BIOS.

Others find that the chip won't run stable unless they have a ridiculous
amount of fans and cooling in the case.

Still others have had trouble with other components that don't seem to
want to behave on the overclocked system.



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