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NR2002 Demo - Correction concerning temps

The Other Larr

NR2002 Demo - Correction concerning temps

by The Other Larr » Wed, 02 Jan 2002 14:02:20

Originally I had indicated that engine overheating and break-downs appeared
to be disabled with the rest of the damage.  I was incorrect.

It does appear that overheating, and engine damage, is modeled, but it's
kind of wacky.  I've not been able to determine a consistent water temp
reading for ok, and not ok.

Anyone else seeing this ?

-Larry

Joachim Trens

NR2002 Demo - Correction concerning temps

by Joachim Trens » Wed, 02 Jan 2002 21:07:05

Hi Larry,

N4 gives me engine damage sometimes in offline Testing Session although
damage is disabled. It seems to be intermittent rather than reproduceable,
and therefor I think it's not a feature, but unintentional (to avoid that
ugly 3-letter word <g>)

Achim



Dave Henri

NR2002 Demo - Correction concerning temps

by Dave Henri » Thu, 03 Jan 2002 01:24:55

  I haven't looked enough at it...but I did blow an engine during a 1 lap
qualifying run at Richmond.
dave henrie


The Other Larr

NR2002 Demo - Correction concerning temps

by The Other Larr » Thu, 03 Jan 2002 01:52:00

I think you are right.

:)

But it's not a gub, it's a feature :)

-Larry


> Hi Larry,

> N4 gives me engine damage sometimes in offline Testing Session although
> damage is disabled. It seems to be intermittent rather than reproduceable,
> and therefor I think it's not a feature, but unintentional (to avoid that
> ugly 3-letter word <g>)

> Achim



> > Originally I had indicated that engine overheating and break-downs
> appeared
> > to be disabled with the rest of the damage.  I was incorrect.

> > It does appear that overheating, and engine damage, is modeled, but it's
> > kind of wacky.  I've not been able to determine a consistent water temp
> > reading for ok, and not ok.

> > Anyone else seeing this ?

> > -Larry

The Other Larr

NR2002 Demo - Correction concerning temps

by The Other Larr » Thu, 03 Jan 2002 01:52:58

I just blew up twice in practice with 45% tape at Atlanta.

It _looks_ to me like NR2002 may be basing this off of oil temp instead of
water temp.

I'm still a bit confused as to what, exactly, is going on here.

-Larry


>   I haven't looked enough at it...but I did blow an engine during a 1 lap
> qualifying run at Richmond.
> dave henrie


> > Originally I had indicated that engine overheating and break-downs
> appeared
> > to be disabled with the rest of the damage.  I was incorrect.

> > It does appear that overheating, and engine damage, is modeled, but it's
> > kind of wacky.  I've not been able to determine a consistent water temp
> > reading for ok, and not ok.

> > Anyone else seeing this ?

> > -Larry

jason moy

NR2002 Demo - Correction concerning temps

by jason moy » Thu, 03 Jan 2002 09:27:07

Weird, I get engine damage and I can reproduce it by holding down the
clutch and gunning it until the water temperature hits the limit
displayed on the gauge, at which point a nice stream of black smoke
pours from the motor and it dies.  I think that, even with damage
enabled, there isn't a definite 'above this water temp you'll blow the
motor' line but rather an 'above this water temp the odds of inducing
motor damage increases' line.  Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you
don't.  At least that's my guess (would have to talk to Mr. Kaemmer, I
suppose, to know for sure).

Jason


> Hi Larry,

> N4 gives me engine damage sometimes in offline Testing Session although
> damage is disabled. It seems to be intermittent rather than reproduceable,
> and therefor I think it's not a feature, but unintentional (to avoid that
> ugly 3-letter word <g>)

> Achim



> > Originally I had indicated that engine overheating and break-downs
>  appeared
> > to be disabled with the rest of the damage.  I was incorrect.

> > It does appear that overheating, and engine damage, is modeled, but it's
> > kind of wacky.  I've not been able to determine a consistent water temp
> > reading for ok, and not ok.

> > Anyone else seeing this ?

> > -Larry

Eric Busc

NR2002 Demo - Correction concerning temps

by Eric Busc » Thu, 03 Jan 2002 11:31:09

Actually it is a feature, and if you right-click on the damage option
you'll see it explained in the pop-up help that even when damage is
disabled it is still possible to get blow your engine from abuse such as
overreving or overheating.

- Eric

You can still

Eric Busc

NR2002 Demo - Correction concerning temps

by Eric Busc » Thu, 03 Jan 2002 11:37:31

Err... that should have read "...it is still possible to blow your
engine..." or "...it is still possible to get engine damage...".  I seem
to have combined the two.  =)

- Eric


Joachim Trens

NR2002 Demo - Correction concerning temps

by Joachim Trens » Thu, 03 Jan 2002 17:04:26

Hi Jason,

maybe I'm just not patient enough for such empiric studies ;-)

Achim


> Weird, I get engine damage and I can reproduce it by holding down the
> clutch and gunning it until the water temperature hits the limit
> displayed on the gauge, at which point a nice stream of black smoke
> pours from the motor and it dies.  I think that, even with damage
> enabled, there isn't a definite 'above this water temp you'll blow the
> motor' line but rather an 'above this water temp the odds of inducing
> motor damage increases' line.  Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you
> don't.  At least that's my guess (would have to talk to Mr. Kaemmer, I
> suppose, to know for sure).

> Jason




> > Hi Larry,

> > N4 gives me engine damage sometimes in offline Testing Session although
> > damage is disabled. It seems to be intermittent rather than
reproduceable,
> > and therefor I think it's not a feature, but unintentional (to avoid
that
> > ugly 3-letter word <g>)

> > Achim



> > > Originally I had indicated that engine overheating and break-downs
> >  appeared
> > > to be disabled with the rest of the damage.  I was incorrect.

> > > It does appear that overheating, and engine damage, is modeled, but
it's
> > > kind of wacky.  I've not been able to determine a consistent water
temp
> > > reading for ok, and not ok.

> > > Anyone else seeing this ?

> > > -Larry

Joachim Trens

NR2002 Demo - Correction concerning temps

by Joachim Trens » Thu, 03 Jan 2002 17:08:40

Yep, the way you said it, a decent Freudian could have started speculating
as to what you were really thinking about at the time when you wrote that
;-)

Achim


> Err... that should have read "...it is still possible to blow your
> engine..." or "...it is still possible to get engine damage...".  I seem
> to have combined the two.  =)

> - Eric



> > Actually it is a feature, and if you right-click on the damage option
> > you'll see it explained in the pop-up help that even when damage is
> > disabled it is still possible to get blow your engine from abuse such
> as
> > overreving or overheating.

Joachim Trens

NR2002 Demo - Correction concerning temps

by Joachim Trens » Thu, 03 Jan 2002 17:06:34

Hi Eric,

thanks for the info!

Right click in N4? Darn, why don't I ever RTeffingM ;-)

Achim


> Actually it is a feature, and if you right-click on the damage option
> you'll see it explained in the pop-up help that even when damage is
> disabled it is still possible to get blow your engine from abuse such as
> overreving or overheating.

> - Eric

> You can still


> > N4 gives me engine damage sometimes in offline Testing Session
> although
> > damage is disabled. It seems to be intermittent rather than
> reproduceable,
> > and therefor I think it's not a feature, but unintentional (to avoid
> that
> > ugly 3-letter word <g>)

The Other Larr

NR2002 Demo - Correction concerning temps

by The Other Larr » Fri, 04 Jan 2002 05:17:34

Yes, it is repeatable.

What doesn't make any sense is the line between blow up, and no blow up.  It
doesn't seem to be necessarily tied to the temp guage, like it is in N4.

It _seems_ to be more tied to the oil temp guage in this one.

I don't think we'll really understand this until the release version is out
and the manul explains what the hell is going on.

Who knows.  It may not even be fully modeled yet.

-Larry


> Weird, I get engine damage and I can reproduce it by holding down the
> clutch and gunning it until the water temperature hits the limit
> displayed on the gauge, at which point a nice stream of black smoke
> pours from the motor and it dies.  I think that, even with damage
> enabled, there isn't a definite 'above this water temp you'll blow the
> motor' line but rather an 'above this water temp the odds of inducing
> motor damage increases' line.  Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you
> don't.  At least that's my guess (would have to talk to Mr. Kaemmer, I
> suppose, to know for sure).

> Jason




> > Hi Larry,

> > N4 gives me engine damage sometimes in offline Testing Session although
> > damage is disabled. It seems to be intermittent rather than
reproduceable,
> > and therefor I think it's not a feature, but unintentional (to avoid
that
> > ugly 3-letter word <g>)

> > Achim



> > > Originally I had indicated that engine overheating and break-downs
> >  appeared
> > > to be disabled with the rest of the damage.  I was incorrect.

> > > It does appear that overheating, and engine damage, is modeled, but
it's
> > > kind of wacky.  I've not been able to determine a consistent water
temp
> > > reading for ok, and not ok.

> > > Anyone else seeing this ?

> > > -Larry

The Other Larr

NR2002 Demo - Correction concerning temps

by The Other Larr » Fri, 04 Jan 2002 05:18:23

LOL!

-Larry


> Err... that should have read "...it is still possible to blow your
> engine..." or "...it is still possible to get engine damage...".  I seem
> to have combined the two.  =)

> - Eric



> > Actually it is a feature, and if you right-click on the damage option
> > you'll see it explained in the pop-up help that even when damage is
> > disabled it is still possible to get blow your engine from abuse such
> as
> > overreving or overheating.


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