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Because we use the computer a lot more than the wheel? :-)
If you play driving games all the time you're on the computer its
justified, but for me to ship a TSW2 from the US to here in Australia
, the price gets ridiculous (partially blamed on our ***currency).
(Also, if something went wrong, wed have to ship it all the way back
to the US to fix).
Horse for courses really.

Weekend racer = cheaper not as good wheel
Fulltime racer = expensive/better wheel

Personally, I have a GP1, and its fine for when I want to race. A TSW
or ECCI or FF wheel would be nice, but at 4-5 times the cost of my
GP1, its not justified when it sits under the desk for a week or two.

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I was mainly expressing my experience with Trustmaster.  I did not anyway
bash TSW.  TSW corporate bullying on post was unnecessary.

Fred

Fred,

Next time put IMHO then.
Go back and look at your post which says plainly

"better fit ,finish, and quality than TSW"

I think Trevor is entitled to defend his product against such claims.
And if you were him, you would do the same.

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Nathan Wong          http://www.nectar.com.au/~alfacors
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"Bashing"?

What are you guys, nuts?

Who really "bashes" who around here?

I'm sick of this crap.

Why is it every time someone talks up hardware that is
non-TSW, they get "***ed" by a horde of TSW thugs?
Does TSW own this newsgroup?

Got news for you TSW.  This ain't your street.
We can discuss whatever we want, and we should be
able to do it without having to be buried in ridiculous
flame messages.  Fact is, if your stuff was really so great,
and really in such demand, there wouldn't be any
need at all to try to terrorize those with differing opinions.
The quality of the product would speak for itself.

As for Car & Driver, I gotta wonder about how TSW
came out so well.  Seems I recall something about
"high school wood shop construction".  Maybe the
other manufacturers don't hand out freebie systems
like penny candy as TSW has in order to get purchased
endor***ts.

Peace and love,
Karl Heinz

Thanks for your post, any time I see anyone bashing our products here or
anywhere else you can bet I'll post and take him on. If there is
anything that hacks me off, its someone dumping on our TSW or TSW2
without good reason and then not having the decency to include an "IMO".

I dont really care what wheel they own, I'll put the TSW up against it
anytime for polish, fit, accessories or anything else. We've been told
hundreds of time that our products are second to none in any area and
better than any other in all the ways that mean anything to a serious
racer.

Thanks again :)!

Trev

Thanks for your post :) as for the force feedback issue here is Thomas
Enterprises official feeling about it:

1, We COULD do FF if we wanted to but in order to include it and also
maintain our standard of quality, we would be using only the best
quality motors, gear trains and electronic components.

IMO this would price the FF TSW far beyond the practical range and
people would not buy enough of them to make it worthwhile.

2, We have been told by serious *** racers that FF is not important
to them, degree of control and precision is what they value most and
this is where our products stand out from all the rest, FF or not.

3, Since the *** racers are who we cater to, there is no point in
us putting a lot of time and money into something that would not appeal
to our market.

I have nothing against FF myself although I place no value on it either,
there are enough FF wheels available now for those who do want it and so
we wont try to compete with wheels costing $300.00 or less.

Trev

-David

I do however agree with Fred and a few others on here. Why is it that any
time someone mentions anything other than a Thomas Enterprises Wheel, they
get the bashing from the WHOLE of the Thomas Enterprises Groupies? I was
going to buy a TSW or TSW2 at one time and as I previously mentioned, even
called Trevor about his product and asked for sponsorship in a league. The
reason I decided NOT to buy was because of this constant bashing by his
followers. Sorry Trev. Your boys spoiled it for you. I have since received
offers to beta test new products for other companies and have the world of
Wheel/Pedal combinationations at my disposal.

I will someday buy a personal set for my driving (I currently personally own
a TM Nascar Pro and still Love it), but I can tell you now it won't be a
Thomas Enterprises. And that is based on fact and past experience and not
opinion.

Nuff Said. (period) again :)

Peter Walker

If it's something which is obviously un-reasearched or un-informed,
then people will come in for a bit of flak no matter what they
criticise. Whether its a wheel, or a CPU, or a video card, or what
sort of dog you own.

Lucky you.

Past experience? So you've owned a TSW?
What fact? That people who own TSW wheels tend to defend the builder
against rubbish statements? If you made the TSW wheels, wouldnt you
like to see your customers defend the product? Or are you happy to
have your gear get criticsed by someone who hasnt even seen one in the
flesh but merely read about it?

*proud Thrustmaster user, non-TSW owner, non-TSW groupie*
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Nathan Wong          http://www.nectar.com.au/~alfacors
                        - Super Touring - Alfa Romeo -

                            - V8Supercars - CART -

Give an example of this "***ing" and "bashing" by the "TSW
thugs"

Do you?

Please quote example of this terror.

Seems I also recall it saying "The steering wheel is also weighted
perfectly throughout its entire travel which makes this wheel smooth
and predictable. Being comfortable, and having a wheel that directs
your car where you want, when you want, was a difficult combination to
find in this group, and the TSW excelled."

I guess this isn't really important, is it?

As for the "high school wood shop construction", a TSW is not as
elegant as a ECCI, but I didnt spend much more on a TSW2 than my
troublesome TM wheels, and the performance if the TSW is so far ahead
of the TM and other assorted mass produced wheels, I'll gladly put up
a somewhat less attractive wheel. It certainly does not manifest
itself in any other negative manner. The construction is heavy and
very overbuilt than what is necessary. No BS clamps for the wheel or
pedals are necessary.

Maybe the
Where did this come from? Please provide your source of this
informative little factoid. Maybe a little bullshit sprinkled on top
to bolster weak commentary?

There is no doubt that ECCI makes a good wheel, so does TSW. It really
boils down to personal preference and price v. performance, the latter
is where the TSW really shines.

Love and peas. Think twice, post once.

Regards,

Rick Carlson

MSP Blue Goose Pilot #177 Car 3404

BTW, I did end up getting the ECCI and it is by far the best wheel I've
tried and I have tried the TSW. The TSW is a fine wheel, but there is NO way
it's as good as the ECCI. NO WAY! IMHO <g>

But maybe I'm just being weird now. <g>

Tom