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by **Michael Barlo** » Tue, 11 May 1999 04:00:00

> >> First off - Before a novice driver even attempts an on-line race I
> >> would suggest that they at least learn the track and some car control.
> >> It is very disconcerting to come up on one of these backmarkers
> >> as they are so unpredictable, more often than not they tend to take
> >> you off with them at the next corner they come to.

> > This is true.. However, What the heck are you doing trying to pass
> >someone while still in a dangerous situation?

> So - you SHOULDN'T try to pass the backmarkers...?

I didn't say that.. He mentioned the ones that are out of control. If
they are out of control then obviously it's dangerous to pass. When they
have gathered them selves up you can pass without much problem.

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by **^Frett** » Tue, 11 May 1999 04:00:00

Not with cable!! ;O)

> Patricks) writes:

> IP addresses can change every dial-up. It would be had to ban a specific IP
> address...

> __

> Put your message in a modem, and throw it in the ***-sea...
> remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

by **David Kar** » Wed, 12 May 1999 04:00:00

I just want to say that I think it's important to develop a fair way of
detecting who the actual backwards-racing jerks are. I say this because
once, _once_, I was in an online race at (I think) Spa, went off and around
and around. Since I hadn't actually hit anything, and I didn't want to lose
my warmed tires, I drove back unto the track and proceeded down a long,
rather featureless straight. After a few seconds, lo and behold I see in
the hazy distance a car approaching me. "YIKES!" After a split second
thinking "what's this fool think he's doing, driving around backwards??!," I
realized "OMIGOD!" (sorry, daxe), "IT's ME!" and hopped off the road and
disconnected. Stupid of me, perhaps--I think the spin's gyrations somehow
mixed me up enough to where I thought I was pointed in the right direction
when I restarted. But unless we are careful, we might end up blacklisting
someone for a similar mistake.

Are we going to be able to tell the difference between temporary brain fade,
and intentional dastardliness?

--david

> On Sun, 9 May 1999 15:23:51 +0100, "Mark Seery"

> >Absolutely.
> >I remember a qualifying session at Kyalami. One idiot in a F1 car refused
to
> >leave and wrecked peoples chances of getting a good lap in. In the race
he
> >rammed me from behind coming up about 60 mph faster than I was going. He
> >proceeded to continue running round on three wheels for another 2 laps
and
> >finally left telling us that one day we might be fast enough to drive F1
> >cars.

> >His pole time BTW was 1:28. HAHAHAHA. I think that I am going to get a
> >blacklist page on my web site and publish replays of all the idiots I
> >encounter who mehave like ***s online.

> >Mark

> As Mike Barlow so eloquently puts it - "I WANT GPL 1.1!"

> Then we can BOOT out (and blacklist IPs?) the offenders.

> G. Patricks

by **^Frett** » Wed, 12 May 1999 04:00:00

You had no idea where you were after the spin? Odd?

> After a split second
> thinking "what's this fool think he's doing, driving around backwards??!," I
> realized "OMIGOD!" (sorry, daxe), "IT's ME!" and hopped off the road and
> disconnected. Stupid of me, perhaps--I think the spin's gyrations somehow
> mixed me up enough to where I thought I was pointed in the right direction
> when I restarted. But unless we are careful, we might end up blacklisting
> someone for a similar mistake.

> Are we going to be able to tell the difference between temporary brain fade,
> and intentional dastardliness?

> --david

by **David Kar** » Wed, 12 May 1999 04:00:00

Odd, indeed. Odd, but true. So should I be canned, panned and banned?

dk

> You had no idea where you were after the spin? Odd?

> > After a split second
> > thinking "what's this fool think he's doing, driving around
backwards??!," I
> > realized "OMIGOD!" (sorry, daxe), "IT's ME!" and hopped off the road and
> > disconnected. Stupid of me, perhaps--I think the spin's gyrations
somehow
> > mixed me up enough to where I thought I was pointed in the right
direction
> > when I restarted. But unless we are careful, we might end up
blacklisting
> > someone for a similar mistake.

> > Are we going to be able to tell the difference between temporary brain
fade,
> > and intentional dastardliness?

> > --david

by **Ron Ayto** » Wed, 12 May 1999 04:00:00

Hey Fretts, i have seen what David was describing happen as well to a
member of our league, who i know is a genuine sim racer in every way.
He didn't do it on purpose, or do it to be a disruptive influence, he
simply got disoriented.
Some times it is possible to get confused after a spin, as some of the
tracks are a little featureless in places..
I know i have done it myself once at the Ring, without realising i was
even going the wrong way untill i approached the following corner. ..
I can see that getting confused about the right direction after a spin,
would be very easy to do for someone that does not spend 4 hours a day
in GPL, learning all the tracks off by heart..
Cheers,
Ron

> You had no idea where you were after the spin? Odd?

> > After a split second
> > thinking "what's this fool think he's doing, driving around
backwards??!," I
> > realized "OMIGOD!" (sorry, daxe), "IT's ME!" and hopped off the
road and
> > disconnected. Stupid of me, perhaps--I think the spin's gyrations
somehow
> > mixed me up enough to where I thought I was pointed in the right
direction
> > when I restarted. But unless we are careful, we might end up
blacklisting
> > someone for a similar mistake.

> > Are we going to be able to tell the difference between temporary
brain fade,
> > and intentional dastardliness?

> > --david

by **DJacob** » Thu, 13 May 1999 04:00:00

>Only if you are being lapped.... and/or offspeed. If its for position, no
>> way you should just give the position up, but it is important for both
>> racers to maintain your line that you have chosen.

If there has been a wreck and a driver catches you fast I feel that you should
treat that like being lapped and give the position without a fight. You
usually know if you have driven by faster drivers who have crashed. Especially
first lap crashes that they may not have caused. People will remember a
courteous driver, but will soon forget if you finished in 4th or 6th place.
Don Jacobs

by **Scott Vel** » Thu, 13 May 1999 04:00:00

Good time to use the F10 view.

Scott

says...

by **^Frett** » Thu, 13 May 1999 04:00:00

Just Odd? Do you think you should be canned, panned and banned?
Or maybe do you think a compass might help? Just "inquiring minds
would like to know?" <g>
Cheers... tj

> Odd, indeed. Odd, but true. So should I be canned, panned and banned?

> dk

> > You had no idea where you were after the spin? Odd?

> > > After a split second
> > > thinking "what's this fool think he's doing, driving around
> backwards??!," I
> > > realized "OMIGOD!" (sorry, daxe), "IT's ME!" and hopped off the road and
> > > disconnected. Stupid of me, perhaps--I think the spin's gyrations
> somehow
> > > mixed me up enough to where I thought I was pointed in the right
> direction
> > > when I restarted. But unless we are careful, we might end up
> blacklisting
> > > someone for a similar mistake.

> > > Are we going to be able to tell the difference between temporary brain
> fade,
> > > and intentional dastardliness?

> > > --david

by **^Frett** » Thu, 13 May 1999 04:00:00

Hello Ron;

> Hey Fretts, i have seen what David was describing happen as well to a
> member of our league, who i know is a genuine sim racer in every way.
> He didn't do it on purpose, or do it to be a disruptive influence, he
> simply got disoriented.

Did I say he did it on purpose?

Is Spa?

Don't you think the Ring might be more complexed?

Anyway nothing to be overly concerened about...eh?
Was it real life? Dont think so & I was only curious?
no more..no less.. Cheers Thom_j.

> > You had no idea where you were after the spin? Odd?

> > > After a split second
> > > thinking "what's this fool think he's doing, driving around
> backwards??!," I
> > > realized "OMIGOD!" (sorry, daxe), "IT's ME!" and hopped off the
> road and
> > > disconnected. Stupid of me, perhaps--I think the spin's gyrations
> somehow
> > > mixed me up enough to where I thought I was pointed in the right
> direction
> > > when I restarted. But unless we are careful, we might end up
> blacklisting
> > > someone for a similar mistake.

> > > Are we going to be able to tell the difference between temporary
> brain fade,
> > > and intentional dastardliness?

> > > --david

by **^Frett** » Thu, 13 May 1999 04:00:00

Scott; Great Point! But I suppose anyone can simply get disoriented?
Again nothing overly important.. I guess?? No harm done...
Cheers Thom_j. aka ^Fretts...

> Good time to use the F10 view.

> Scott

> says...
> > Hey Fretts, i have seen what David was describing happen as well to a
> > member of our league, who i know is a genuine sim racer in every way.
> > He didn't do it on purpose, or do it to be a disruptive influence, he
> > simply got disoriented.
> > Some times it is possible to get confused after a spin, as some of the
> > tracks are a little featureless in places..
> > I know i have done it myself once at the Ring, without realising i was
> > even going the wrong way untill i approached the following corner. ..
> > I can see that getting confused about the right direction after a spin,
> > would be very easy to do for someone that does not spend 4 hours a day
> > in GPL, learning all the tracks off by heart..
> > Cheers,
> > Ron

by **David Kar** » Thu, 13 May 1999 04:00:00

well, shit.

I can try to be simpler, and clearer: all I was trying to do was to point
out that if such a filtering option is implemented, we all have to take care
not to unfairly penalize the odd mistake. I used my single (<--)
misadventure as a case in point.

In the lovely words of E. Costello, "Do I have to draw you a diagram?"

> Just Odd? Do you think you should be canned, panned and banned?
> Or maybe do you think a compass might help? Just "inquiring minds
> would like to know?" <g>
> Cheers... tj

> > Odd, indeed. Odd, but true. So should I be canned, panned and banned?

> > dk

> > > You had no idea where you were after the spin? Odd?

> > > > After a split second
> > > > thinking "what's this fool think he's doing, driving around
> > backwards??!," I
> > > > realized "OMIGOD!" (sorry, daxe), "IT's ME!" and hopped off the road
and
> > > > disconnected. Stupid of me, perhaps--I think the spin's gyrations
> > somehow
> > > > mixed me up enough to where I thought I was pointed in the right
> > direction
> > > > when I restarted. But unless we are careful, we might end up
> > blacklisting
> > > > someone for a similar mistake.

> > > > Are we going to be able to tell the difference between temporary
brain
> > fade,
> > > > and intentional dastardliness?

> > > > --david

by **^Frett** » Fri, 14 May 1999 04:00:00

Geez Dave relax.. I only asked.. But if you'd like to "draw you a diagram"
it might be interesting.. Cheers Thom_j.

> well, shit.

> I can try to be simpler, and clearer: all I was trying to do was to point
> out that if such a filtering option is implemented, we all have to take care
> not to unfairly penalize the odd mistake. I used my single (<--)
> misadventure as a case in point.

> In the lovely words of E. Costello, "Do I have to draw you a diagram?"

> > Just Odd? Do you think you should be canned, panned and banned?
> > Or maybe do you think a compass might help? Just "inquiring minds
> > would like to know?" <g>
> > Cheers... tj

> > > Odd, indeed. Odd, but true. So should I be canned, panned and banned?

> > > dk

> > > > You had no idea where you were after the spin? Odd?

> > > > > After a split second
> > > > > thinking "what's this fool think he's doing, driving around
> > > backwards??!," I
> > > > > realized "OMIGOD!" (sorry, daxe), "IT's ME!" and hopped off the road
> and
> > > > > disconnected. Stupid of me, perhaps--I think the spin's gyrations
> > > somehow
> > > > > mixed me up enough to where I thought I was pointed in the right
> > > direction
> > > > > when I restarted. But unless we are careful, we might end up
> > > blacklisting
> > > > > someone for a similar mistake.

> > > > > Are we going to be able to tell the difference between temporary
> brain
> > > fade,
> > > > > and intentional dastardliness?

> > > > > --david

by **Byron Forbe** » Fri, 14 May 1999 04:00:00

Yep, first thing I thought when I got GPL was "Where in the hell is
the ***y compass?". Maybe GPL2?

> Just Odd? Do you think you should be canned, panned and banned?
> Or maybe do you think a compass might help? Just "inquiring minds
> would like to know?" <g>
> Cheers... tj

by **^Frett** » Fri, 14 May 1999 04:00:00

See Byron knows!! <BG>

> Yep, first thing I thought when I got GPL was "Where in the hell is
> the ***y compass?". Maybe GPL2?

> > Just Odd? Do you think you should be canned, panned and banned?
> > Or maybe do you think a compass might help? Just "inquiring minds
> > would like to know?" <g>
> > Cheers... tj

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