rec.autos.simulators

I race quite a bit and am a bit rough on my T2. (Thank god for
lots of duct tape!) After about 11 months I haven't had any probs yet
with my T2 and think for the $$, its great.

david
vetteracer (on Hawaii
--
--"he rubbed ya, and rubbin son, is racin"  - Harry Hogg
________________________________________________________________________
David Burton                                  Animation & Visual Effects
Animation Director                         Broadcast / Commercial / Film

WEBSITE - http://www.racesimcentral.net/~tpac9
________________________________________________________________________--

I'm sure many people who looked at the Nissan Skyliner would have done
the same thing - if only they had _driven_ it they could understand what
a HUGE mistake they made.....

'Nuff said....

Cheers!
John (a VERY happy TSW owner)

                     _________________________________
         __    _____|                                 |_____    __
________|  |__|    :|           John Wallace          |     |__|  |________

  \    :|  |::|    :|        Team WW Racing TSW       |     |::|  |     /
    >  :|  |::|    :|_________________________________|     |::|  |   <
  /    :|__|::|____/       * Sim Racing News *         \____|::|__|     \
/______:/  \::/ http://sneezy.dcn.ed.ac.uk/simnews/index.htm \::/  \._____\
               http://www.math.ohio-state.edu/~harmon/simnews

Chris

Thanks,, very well said :) did you catch the "gotta go install my
Reactor" bit? No problem with paying $200.00 for a card but the TSW was
too high priced?

Trev

Isn't a matter of making a mistake.  Is more like deciding between driving
a Chevrolet and living in a house,  or Driving a Nissan Skyliner ( whatever
that is ) and living in it as well.

Ditto.

Yes, I am willing to pay $200 for a 4 meg, 3d Rendition accellerator card,
but I would not pay $600 for a simular product that someone made out of his
garage.   Show me one that does the same thing, for 1/3 the price, and you
are darn straight I will get that one.  The T1 and T2 are both excellent
products.  Both can be had for 1/3 the price of the TSW.  So, given the
choice of buying a TSW, or a T2 AND an Reactor card,  gee, let me see....
Go figure.  Unless you carry my wallet, don't presume to tell me how to
spend the money it contains.   And like the first post I made said,
'reasonably priced' depends on who is making the comment.  

Stuart

--
Stuart Booth
Somewhere in Oxfordshire, England, UK

Think about what?  :-)   Seriously, if I had access to one, I might
actually like it.  As it is, it was  pretty hard to justify a $89.00
joystick ( T2 ), there is no way I could justify a $290 one.  I buy what I
can justify.  Now, all I have to do is somehow justify the 17" monitor.  
The fact that my Reactor just ate my old 14" may just be the answer.  " But
hun...  I just gotta replace ***ia's old monitor " !!

Note to all the slow people out there:  I said JUSTIFY the expenditure, not
afford.  Big difference.

1) $600? Where did you get that?!

2) Garage? So what? It's the toughest thing I've ever bought, and if all
the software which came from the shiny offices of Microsoft was even
HALF as well put together, we'd have an OS that works...

3) No-one's telling you how to spend your money, we're trying to give
you options and advise based upon OUR experience. I was in the SAME
position as you, and going to buy a T2 and spend the balance on
something else. I am VERY glad that I didn't, and I thought that I'd
pass this on to you.

Cheers!
John

                     _________________________________
         __    _____|                                 |_____    __
________|  |__|    :|           John Wallace          |     |__|  |________

  \    :|  |::|    :|        Team WW Racing TSW       |     |::|  |     /
    >  :|  |::|    :|_________________________________|     |::|  |   <
  /    :|__|::|____/       * Sim Racing News *         \____|::|__|     \
/______:/  \::/ http://sneezy.dcn.ed.ac.uk/simnews/index.htm \::/  \._____\
               http://www.math.ohio-state.edu/~harmon/simnews

A Corvette and a Skyliner are similarly priced, but they aren't even
CLOSE on performance. The BMW 318is is relatively cheap (compared to the
Skyliner), looks infinitely better and does a fabulous job. One look at
the Skyliner and you'd buy the BMW, one drive of the Skyliner and you'd
never even consider buying anything else.

Therein lies the analogy....

                     _________________________________
         __    _____|                                 |_____    __
________|  |__|    :|           John Wallace          |     |__|  |________

  \    :|  |::|    :|        Team WW Racing TSW       |     |::|  |     /
    >  :|  |::|    :|_________________________________|     |::|  |   <
  /    :|__|::|____/       * Sim Racing News *         \____|::|__|     \
/______:/  \::/ http://sneezy.dcn.ed.ac.uk/simnews/index.htm \::/  \._____\
               http://www.math.ohio-state.edu/~harmon/simnews

One test drive in either and the dealer would call the cops on me.  Or the
wife would shoot me.  See, I also feel that it is _unreasonable_ to pay as
much for a automobile as you would for a house.  Now, if I were able to
afford it, I am sure I would feel differently.  But then I haven't won the
lottery yet..  

Robert

    1.1)  Sorry to have spoken over you head.  What I was implying, was
that if there were a card out there that cost 3 times as much ( T2 = $89 :
TSW = $290 : = approx 3 times as much )  as the reactor, that _I_ would
consider that unreasonable cost, and would not purchase it if the $200 card
did the job as well.

   2.1) So, what has one to do with the other?  Didn't know Microsoft made
the T2 ( They don't ) and don't know how you managed to drag them into it.
Besides, I have the Microsoft Sidewinder ( Standard, as I feel the price
asked for the 3D Pro is also unreasonable ) and it's built pretty tough.
My OS works fine for me, if yours doesn't, I suggest you find one you are
qualified to operate, if there is such a thing.  Or better yet, write your
own, get rich, so we can hate you as unreasonably as you seem to hate Mr.
Gates and his company.  Software envy??  Besides, I already bought tough;
it is parked in my driveway, and yes, it was considerably more than $290.  

  3.1) Wasn't the idea of telling me how to spend my money that got to me.
Hell, that's the wife's job.  But to imply that I was 2 faced ( Won't buy
the $290 TSW but will pay $200 for a Reactor ) ticked me off. You decide
what is reasonable for you, I decide what is reasonable for me.  That is
life. Was not a issue of the cost, just what you got for it.  My idea of
_reasonable_ is basically that if I can get two _excellent_ toys ( don't
kid ourselves ) for the price of one, AND have money left over for
software, well, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.

Actually, I think it was some other yahoo that ticked me off. That and the
fact that Mr. Yahoo felt the need to post the entire thread in his
response.  

So CHEERS! back at ya.
Robert

Sorry to have pointed out that your point was made unclearly. I'm sure
that someone other than yourself will have grasped it now that you have
taken the time to explain it less cryptically.

If you can't recognise an analogy, don't expect me to draw you pictures.

Robert, where are you getting this aggressive attitude from? I took
time, TWICE, to send you information, and have had an ill-concealed
tirade of childish abuse. Why is that?

Scroll back, see who wrote that message, look for the name "John
Wallace", recognise mistake, apologise....

The other "yahoo" is the maker of the TSW, and I guess we must be making
different rockets, because THIS rocket scientist is delighted with his
TSW. Never mind, we haven't ticked each other off yet, so let's leave it
at that.

Cheers!
John
                     _________________________________
         __    _____|                                 |_____    __
________|  |__|    :|           John Wallace          |     |__|  |________

  \    :|  |::|    :|        Team WW Racing TSW       |     |::|  |     /
    >  :|  |::|    :|_________________________________|     |::|  |   <
  /    :|__|::|____/       * Sim Racing News *         \____|::|__|     \
/______:/  \::/ http://sneezy.dcn.ed.ac.uk/simnews/index.htm \::/  \._____\
               http://www.math.ohio-state.edu/~harmon/simnews

You might as well give it up<g>! Obviously if this dude cant recognize
the diff in quality and perf between a cheap plastic toy and a quality,
hand built piece of equipment, you arent going to convince him.

His statement above is like comparing a Ferrari to a Chevy Vega, sure
they'll both do the same job but which would you rather have :)!

We dont need his money anyhow so let him go on thinking that the T2 is a
good investment, probably 1/3 of our customers are ex T1/T2 owners<g>!

Trev

Yep, that's me.  And I drive a cheap, mostly plastic, mass produced
Chevrolet P/U.  Hell, I even wear mass produced shoes.  Can you believe it?
 Sales must be pretty bad if you have to resort to politician tactics (
don't tell us how good you are, just attack the other guy ).  And no,
neither you nor your loyal customers will ever convince me to spend $290 on
a wheel / pedal combo.  It may the best there is, I don't know, and unless
someone here locally has one to display, I will never find out.

The cash left over.  What good is the Ferrari if you can't drive it due to
lack of insurance or gas money?

Glad to hear it.  Wouldn't want you to become a ward of the state because I
wouldn't buy your excellent, greatest thing since sliced bread, product.
And I didn't say that the T2/T1 was a good investment.  Just, to me, a less
expensive way to enjoy the games I have.