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by **Craig Jone** » Fri, 14 Sep 2001 04:55:29

Help me!! I just can't do anything other than pure ***at this track. I
can't tell you how many 1:29.19s I've done in the Eagle, a 29.25 in the
Brab; even in the Lotus I can only manage a measly 29.29.

I should be doing low 1:25s, right? Am I attacking the track too much? Not
trailbraking enough (at all)? Braking too early, or using 3rd when should be
in 4th?

Please, someone at least tell me this is a difficult track! After managing
a 1:29.14 at Monza, I actually thought I was getting the hang of this GPL
stuff....

Jonesy

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by **Rob Adam** » Fri, 14 Sep 2001 05:23:45

It's a difficult track. Some have called it a short Nurburgring.

The secret to reasonable times at Mosport does seem to be not to attack too
hard. Also, in the Lotus anyway, it seems to prefer low revs. I never use
first (2nd at the Moss hairpin) and I run most corners in 3rd or 4th. My PB
there is 1:22.78 and I can run 23's consistently. People get into the 18's,
I haven't a clue how...

Download some replays and see how the masters do it. If you want, I'll even
send you mine <g>.

Oh, and another thing that will help your times in GPL considerably: don't
just run Monza all the time. Run ALL the tracks, including the add-ons. If
you just run one (or a few) tracks all the time you will hard-code that
track in your brain and you will stop learning. Hell, even run some laps at

by **Per Thuli** » Fri, 14 Sep 2001 05:53:58

Hmm, let me check my PBs... 1:26... -- oops! Sorry! Can't help you, mate!

(IIRC, the manual talks about the importance of "clean driving" at this
track. Sounds about right... :)

--
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by **Jesse Blac** » Fri, 14 Sep 2001 07:26:20

They are right to say don't attack the track. Brake earlier than you think
you need to and then let off the brake early before turn-in (this does not
mean slow down more than normal, just to do all your braking earlier and
coast into the turn. This will get the car nice and balanced for the corner
entry (most of the turns have entries in very unsettling places). You also
need to learn how to get on the gas earlier than you think you need to. Not
a big stomp, but just slightly adding more gas after the apex...the car can
handle it...especially in turns 2 and 4. Finally, if the car is not
turning, do not turn the wheel more...actually start bringing the wheel
towards straight ahead (just a little bit...and only in the big turns like
turn 1, 2, 3, 4 and the one at the end of the straight)...The car generally
wants to slide a lot at this track (which is good) and when you add more
steering lock, it gets rid of this slide and the car begins to push. Turn
the car in with a good amount of lock, and then quickly bring the steering
back towards center a little bit. This will setup a good slide and the car
will turn better. If the car does not setup into a good drift, then put
more lock back into the steering, and then reduce it again...This works at a
lot of tracks (curve grande at monza is a good example)...but the turn has
to be pretty fast and long.

I know I have some other tips for mosport, but I can't think of them. If I
remember, I will post another answer.

Jesse Black

BTW I run low 1:20s

by **Rafe McAulif** » Fri, 14 Sep 2001 11:51:29

All sounds like good advice. I hated this track for a long time -
still gives me the shits ;) I found that I was attacking the track in
frustration and kept going off to the grass all the time. Once I
slowed down and took things easier my lap times dropped a lot.

One thing I found, is that you need a fair bit of ride height here, to
allow for all the elevation changes *especially* at the end of the
straight. And obviously concentrate on a good exit out of the hairpin
- I was always sideways with too much throttle. Once I calmed down a
bit, (again) I pulled some nice times.

Rafe Mc

On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 18:26:20 -0400, "Jesse Black"

>They are right to say don't attack the track. Brake earlier than you think
>you need to and then let off the brake early before turn-in (this does not
>mean slow down more than normal, just to do all your braking earlier and
>coast into the turn. This will get the car nice and balanced for the corner
>entry (most of the turns have entries in very unsettling places). You also
>need to learn how to get on the gas earlier than you think you need to. Not
>a big stomp, but just slightly adding more gas after the apex...the car can
>handle it...especially in turns 2 and 4. Finally, if the car is not
>turning, do not turn the wheel more...actually start bringing the wheel
>towards straight ahead (just a little bit...and only in the big turns like
>turn 1, 2, 3, 4 and the one at the end of the straight)...The car generally
>wants to slide a lot at this track (which is good) and when you add more
>steering lock, it gets rid of this slide and the car begins to push. Turn
>the car in with a good amount of lock, and then quickly bring the steering
>back towards center a little bit. This will setup a good slide and the car
>will turn better. If the car does not setup into a good drift, then put
>more lock back into the steering, and then reduce it again...This works at a
>lot of tracks (curve grande at monza is a good example)...but the turn has
>to be pretty fast and long.

>I know I have some other tips for mosport, but I can't think of them. If I
>remember, I will post another answer.

>Jesse Black

>BTW I run low 1:20s

by **Morton Chalo** » Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:10:01

>even in the Lotus I can only manage a measly 29.29.

I *dream* of 1:29...

--Morton, hoping you're a Monty Python fan

by **Jone** » Fri, 14 Sep 2001 18:02:57

> >even in the Lotus I can only manage a measly 29.29.

> I *dream* of 1:29...

> --Morton, hoping you're a Monty Python fan

We used to do sub 1:30s, if we were lucky!

by **Maxx** » Fri, 14 Sep 2001 18:05:32

The very best way to see where you are going
wrong at a track IMO is to load your lap and another
lap of a similar time in a SLOWER CAR (e.g. F2/FD)
into RA and merge the 2 together to create a single
lap with both cars visible.

No good finding an F1 lap of similar time as there
will be mistakes in that also. NO good mergin with
a fast F1 time as you'll be out of touch by Turn 2.

If you pick one of the F2/FD laps from the F2/FD
Hotlap site : http://jc.simracing.dk/default.htm
you should find one about the same time.

The FDs have less power so you'll gain on them
in the straights but you will both have the same
grip in the corners.

F2 cars have less power and less grip, you will
obviously gain on the straights again, which means
they must be getting through the corners better
than you, with less grip, so you should be able to
match them once you've studied the line.

I've just checked the site, not wanting to
demoralise you further but even the slowest
WR F2 time is 1:27.53 (BRM) but I think this
might do, certainly for the first half of the lap.

If you want some tips on general technique
and have not read this before, go here :
http://users.bart.nl/~hansvd/school/ and
read my GPLEGS stuff, get hold of the replays
also, as you need to visually see this stuff for
it to sink in fully (hence the merge comments
above).

I's recommend this to all drivers wanting to
go quicker. There is a wide range of laptimes
available. The Mosport F2 WR is in the 1:24s.

Even if you are quicker, you can still find FD
laps to compare to. The Mosport FD WR is
1:22.34

Maxx

by **Eldre** » Fri, 14 Sep 2001 23:50:33

>> >even in the Lotus I can only manage a measly 29.29.

>> I *dream* of 1:29...

>> --Morton, hoping you're a Monty Python fan

>We used to do sub 1:30s, if we were lucky!

But if you tell the kids that nowadays, they don't believe you...

Eldred
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F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +360.54...

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with experience...
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by **Alan Gos** » Sat, 15 Sep 2001 06:34:29

Yes you can

Short answer - yes.

Reason - because its a very narrow track.
Learn it well - it will stand you in good stead for all the other tracks.

Forget Monza - it teaches you nothing, its only good for a burn up on
a belly full of beer :-)

(hick !)
--
Alan Goss
GPLRank +8.68

by **Gill Bate** » Sat, 15 Sep 2001 09:23:50

AH !!

drive it like a NASCAR , right ?

by **M??rio Pire** » Sun, 16 Sep 2001 03:07:44

Like you I was with the same pb (1.27/1.28) for long time. I discovered my
setup was bad, very bad. With other setup (i think G.Huttu setup, I'm not
sure at the moment) I made 1.24/1.25 regularly. The same track is now much
more easy. The setup in this track is the most important.
Note : I'm not a very good driver (GPL: 42) and I understand your despair.
My "despair" is Monaco.
Mrio

> > Help me!! I just can't do anything other than pure ***at this track.
> > I can't tell you how many 1:29.19s I've done in the Eagle, a 29.25 in
> > the Brab; even in the Lotus I can only manage a measly 29.29.

> > I should be doing low 1:25s, right? Am I attacking the track too much?
> > Not trailbraking enough (at all)? Braking too early, or using 3rd when
> > should be in 4th?

> > Please, someone at least tell me this is a difficult track! After
> > managing a 1:29.14 at Monza, I actually thought I was getting the hang
> > of this GPL stuff....

> > Jonesy

> > Remove "ANTISPAM" when replying.

> > GPLRANK 109.63 and losing all hope!

> Hmm, let me check my PBs... 1:26... -- oops! Sorry! Can't help you, mate!

> (IIRC, the manual talks about the importance of "clean driving" at this
> track. Sounds about right... :)

> --
> "Walk like a Syrian"

> Per Thulin

> Visit Jane The Hamster's web site at http://www.racesimcentral.net/~u54108168/

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by **T-..** » Sun, 16 Sep 2001 12:48:48

I recall reading that Nike Lauda once called Turn 2 the toughest in all of
racing because of how the turn drops down and away. I have had the
opportunity to watch some endurance races there. Man, it is really
something to see the corvettes roar down and through the turn.

T-Man

> All sounds like good advice. I hated this track for a long time -
> still gives me the shits ;) I found that I was attacking the track in
> frustration and kept going off to the grass all the time. Once I
> slowed down and took things easier my lap times dropped a lot.

> One thing I found, is that you need a fair bit of ride height here, to
> allow for all the elevation changes *especially* at the end of the
> straight. And obviously concentrate on a good exit out of the hairpin
> - I was always sideways with too much throttle. Once I calmed down a
> bit, (again) I pulled some nice times.

> Rafe Mc

> On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 18:26:20 -0400, "Jesse Black"

> >They are right to say don't attack the track. Brake earlier than you
think
> >you need to and then let off the brake early before turn-in (this does
not
> >mean slow down more than normal, just to do all your braking earlier and
> >coast into the turn. This will get the car nice and balanced for the
corner
> >entry (most of the turns have entries in very unsettling places). You
also
> >need to learn how to get on the gas earlier than you think you need to.
Not
> >a big stomp, but just slightly adding more gas after the apex...the car
can
> >handle it...especially in turns 2 and 4. Finally, if the car is not
> >turning, do not turn the wheel more...actually start bringing the wheel
> >towards straight ahead (just a little bit...and only in the big turns
like
> >turn 1, 2, 3, 4 and the one at the end of the straight)...The car
generally
> >wants to slide a lot at this track (which is good) and when you add more
> >steering lock, it gets rid of this slide and the car begins to push.
Turn
> >the car in with a good amount of lock, and then quickly bring the
steering
> >back towards center a little bit. This will setup a good slide and the
car
> >will turn better. If the car does not setup into a good drift, then put
> >more lock back into the steering, and then reduce it again...This works
at a
> >lot of tracks (curve grande at monza is a good example)...but the turn
has
> >to be pretty fast and long.

> >I know I have some other tips for mosport, but I can't think of them. If
I
> >remember, I will post another answer.

> >Jesse Black

> >BTW I run low 1:20s

by **Rafe McAulif** » Tue, 18 Sep 2001 11:50:11

yeah, a very deceptive turn. Looks at first to be reasonably fast, but
the drop unweights the car so much and you lose a lot of grip. But it
is still a medium speed corner a demands a very nice balance to get
right - which I'm still working at :P

Rafe Mc

>I recall reading that Nike Lauda once called Turn 2 the toughest in all of
>racing because of how the turn drops down and away. I have had the
>opportunity to watch some endurance races there. Man, it is really
>something to see the corvettes roar down and through the turn.

>T-Man

>> All sounds like good advice. I hated this track for a long time -
>> still gives me the shits ;) I found that I was attacking the track in
>> frustration and kept going off to the grass all the time. Once I
>> slowed down and took things easier my lap times dropped a lot.

>> One thing I found, is that you need a fair bit of ride height here, to
>> allow for all the elevation changes *especially* at the end of the
>> straight. And obviously concentrate on a good exit out of the hairpin
>> - I was always sideways with too much throttle. Once I calmed down a
>> bit, (again) I pulled some nice times.

>> Rafe Mc

>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 18:26:20 -0400, "Jesse Black"

>> >They are right to say don't attack the track. Brake earlier than you
>think
>> >you need to and then let off the brake early before turn-in (this does
>not
>> >mean slow down more than normal, just to do all your braking earlier and
>> >coast into the turn. This will get the car nice and balanced for the
>corner
>> >entry (most of the turns have entries in very unsettling places). You
>also
>> >need to learn how to get on the gas earlier than you think you need to.
>Not
>> >a big stomp, but just slightly adding more gas after the apex...the car
>can
>> >handle it...especially in turns 2 and 4. Finally, if the car is not
>> >turning, do not turn the wheel more...actually start bringing the wheel
>> >towards straight ahead (just a little bit...and only in the big turns
>like
>> >turn 1, 2, 3, 4 and the one at the end of the straight)...The car
>generally
>> >wants to slide a lot at this track (which is good) and when you add more
>> >steering lock, it gets rid of this slide and the car begins to push.
>Turn
>> >the car in with a good amount of lock, and then quickly bring the
>steering
>> >back towards center a little bit. This will setup a good slide and the
>car
>> >will turn better. If the car does not setup into a good drift, then put
>> >more lock back into the steering, and then reduce it again...This works
>at a
>> >lot of tracks (curve grande at monza is a good example)...but the turn
>has
>> >to be pretty fast and long.

>> >I know I have some other tips for mosport, but I can't think of them. If
>I
>> >remember, I will post another answer.

>> >Jesse Black

>> >BTW I run low 1:20s

by **Laurence Wilme** » Wed, 19 Sep 2001 09:47:30

Well, congratulations! you made it into the 1:27s!
I can only sympathise and agree that when I look at my 1:27 lap at
Mosport I think "that car is right on its limit" and "how can anyone
go faster than that there" (or why would they want to!).

--
Laurence Wilmer

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