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Gavel
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Your quotes came from the first message in this thread. Nothing was taken
out of context.
You'd like rules, someone to monitor behavior, and someone to enforce the
rules. You tell me that no one is suggesting exactly what you suggested. I
laughed. Now you tell me that I lifted your text from a different thread
(string) and have taken it out of context. I'm shaking my head now.
(snip)
LOL. Nope, not even close. Read Achim's take on the issue. He frames it
quite nicely.
Gavel
Go back up to the top and read the first sentence again.
TP
> > Gavel...
> > You lifted my words from a post in another string.....not exactly in the
> > same context as this one. That was about the need for rules....what if
> any
> > they would include.
> Your quotes came from the first message in this thread. Nothing was taken
> out of context.
> You'd like rules, someone to monitor behavior, and someone to enforce
the
> rules. You tell me that no one is suggesting exactly what you suggested. I
> laughed. Now you tell me that I lifted your text from a different thread
> (string) and have taken it out of context. I'm shaking my head now.
> > I want to be clear about what you are saying. Are you suggesting that
> > someone who consistently causes yellows should be allowed to continue to
> run
> > in RASCAR events (or any organized racing online)?
> (snip)
> LOL. Nope, not even close. Read Achim's take on the issue. He frames
it
> quite nicely.
> Gavel
The original post above was my response.....simply offering a suggestion of
something we found worked......to most of you ***ing and complaining about
guys diving under cars in the turn entries, jumping the starts, not staying
in drafting line......yadda, dadda, do.....at last weekend's RASCAR race (an
earlier thread below which I did not participate in at all).
Then...you tell me some BS about everyone's driving behavior will be
"motivated by group pressure to be good"...and the RASCAR races have no
"potential" to degrade into pickup-style101 Sierra.com messes? Sounds like
they already have in only three weekends! Are you guys nuts or something?
I don't give a shit what you guys do! I simply made what I thought was a
helpful suggestion of something I know works to prevent what you were all
complaining about already.
Yikes....
TP
> The original post above was my response.....simply offering a suggestion
of
> something we found worked......to most of you ***ing and complaining
about
> guys diving under cars in the turn entries, jumping the starts, not
staying
> in drafting line......yadda, dadda, do.....at last weekend's RASCAR race
(an
> earlier thread below which I did not participate in at all).
> Then...you tell me some BS about everyone's driving behavior will be
> "motivated by group pressure to be good"...and the RASCAR races have no
> "potential" to degrade into pickup-style101 Sierra.com messes? Sounds
like
> they already have in only three weekends! Are you guys nuts or something?
> I don't give a shit what you guys do! I simply made what I thought was a
> helpful suggestion of something I know works to prevent what you were all
> complaining about already.
> Yikes....
> TP
> > Hi Eldred,
> > I'd vote against restarts, and also against official rules.
> > I would suggest that we keep seeing these events as open, casual fun
> events.
> > I have no worries that they could become as chaotic as some of the
> > Sierra.com races, simply based on the personality of the drivers I've
seen
> > on the track so far, and because of group pressure. Nobody here races
> > incognito. We know each other, we are a regular group, and that
increases
> > the motivation for performing well not only in the sense of being fast,
> but
> > also of behaving according to the generally accepted behavioural
patterns
> > within this group.
> > If we think we need official statements, I'd suggest creating a 'Common
> > Sense Statement' as the basis of our races. This 'Common Sense
Statement'
> > could say something to the effect of:
> > 'A race isn't won on lap 1, and in order to win the race, you have to
> finish
> > it in one piece. Adjust your driving and behaviour on the track
> accordingly,
> > and be aware of the fact that you're not the only one who wants to win
> this
> > race. Show the others drivers the same respect, fairness and
sportsmanship
> > that you expect from them. And don't flatter yourself for aggressiveness
> or
> > cutthroat moves - both are immature and silly, and have no place in
> racing.
> > Flatter yourself for clean driving, for not crashing, for intelligently
> > understanding what's going on during the race, for having a good race
> > strategy and tactics, for avoiding accidents you might have been pulled
> into
> > by others, and for having maintained sportsmanship and fairness even
when
> > things got heated up. You're only going to have fun in these races if
you
> > cooperate with the others. Racing is _not_ a one man show!!'
> > ...or something to that effect. No need for anything else, not even the
> > jumpstart issue. We all agree on that anyway.
> > The reason for most all accidents is that simmers don't take the above
> facts
> > seriously enough. We drive faster than we can, faster than necessary,
and
> > faster than a given situation permits. I think most accidents
> > (driving-related ones and those in one-on-one battles) come from us
> > overestimating our actual driving ability and racecraft. This seems to
me
> > the most common error among simmers. 'Fighting' or 'Racing' is only if
we
> > keep ourselves and the other cars on the track, and moving. Everything
> else
> > is just bad moves :-)
> > If we drive within our abilities, and simply show respect for the
others,
> > we'll be having good clean races.
> > Achim
Achim