> There is no way we can convince someone who doesn't understand anything
> out side of TEN. With GPL 1.0 I had *Full Fields* of cars with *NO*
> warp. The TEN drivers don't realize that their systems are setup to run
> on TEN and not set up to run on the GPL systems. If they would set
> their systems up for GPL then the quality of racing would be better then
> what TEN gave them.
What's with this ? You think that because they race Stock-cars on the NROS > out side of TEN. With GPL 1.0 I had *Full Fields* of cars with *NO*
> warp. The TEN drivers don't realize that their systems are setup to run
> on TEN and not set up to run on the GPL systems. If they would set
> their systems up for GPL then the quality of racing would be better then
> what TEN gave them.
that they all have a redneck attitude and never raced GPL ? Most of us
there know about GPL, and MANY have tried GPL extensively. I mean cmon, why
do you think they are all rednecks there and don't care about open-wheel
racing ?
Just ask anybody who tried both. Only you I have seen saying that the warp
in GPL is better than on the NROS. Everybody else know that with the
prediction code and the stability of the dedicated servers it's much more
enjoyable on the NROS.
Just take GPL cars and race on ovals, the warp is incredible with GPL. And
no it's not because of my PC is not tweaked for it. The GPL cars warp in
the corners 5-6feet each side all the time. It NEVER happens on the NROS,
the cars warp at a maximum of 1-2feet. It's a BIG different on oval racing
since we go side-by-side often into the corners.
> This again is a closed minded statement. I ran on Hawaii and
> absolutely love the GPL type of connection.
Yep same here, I love GPL racing, it's more warpy than the NROS but it's > absolutely love the GPL type of connection.
still very good. But there is better.
> We do have a centralized Chat with dedicated servers.
Those are different dedicated servers than on the NROS. Your talking about SUN Microsystem servers at 3place in the US (the 3 NROS Zones, in San
Fransisco, Chicago and Boston) that have a small number of hops because they
are really close to the main internet backbones. This is way different than
a Pentium running GPL with a cable-modem.
> As far as the Rankings system, you know
> with out a doubt that TEN's system is very easy to manipulate.
Like how ? The NROS Ranking system is very complicated and as good as it > with out a doubt that TEN's system is very easy to manipulate.
can be. The manipulation is very difficult and done by maximum a dozen
people. All the people in the top100 are people that REALLY have the talent
to be in the top100. We use website like
http://www.elworth.u-net.com/nrosrank.htm to go even further with NPI, and
Average rankings. I've polled NROS drivers, and we need Rankings. Your the
first person that actually says you don't really care about rankings. It's a
nessecary thing for N3.
Don't compare GPL to N3. N3 will be total chaos. You will have SO many
more trouble-makers than in GPL. It's normal, N3 is a more mass-market
title. There will be 1000times more lamers, AOLers, Keyboard drivers (N3 is
much more easy than GPL), Kids (they don't care about GPL, it's different
when it's Nascar), backward drivers, etc.. We NEED to know how those people
are. There will be thousands of people racing online, not 50 or so per
night like in GPL. how do you track of the people's abilities to race ?
Especially if anybody can change their screename all the time. Rankings are
nessecary. We would PAY for that.
> Without
> the rankings system, you'll have to figure out who are the top drivers
> another way. Maybe a single way that looks more at the drivers ability
> rather then a way to keep the customer online longer. As far as keeping
> track... The GPLRC is starting a system sort of like a rankings system
> already. It's in it's primitive form but starting to look good.
Don't compare GPL to N3. They both race online but the community is much > the rankings system, you'll have to figure out who are the top drivers
> another way. Maybe a single way that looks more at the drivers ability
> rather then a way to keep the customer online longer. As far as keeping
> track... The GPLRC is starting a system sort of like a rankings system
> already. It's in it's primitive form but starting to look good.
different. N3 is thousand times more accessible to Mr. everybody than GPL,
because of the nature of the game engine/stock-car history in the US. It's
a bummer that it's like that, but please stop comparing.
> For the "Gamer", Yes, all they need is a place with Pick up races. For
> the serious driver, even on TEN, the serious drivers did little else out
> side organized scheduled races. (Leagues, invitationals).
There is many serious drivers racing pickup races. You probably should go > the serious driver, even on TEN, the serious drivers did little else out
> side organized scheduled races. (Leagues, invitationals).
back to the NROS to see this. Pickup racing is superior in # to league
racing on the NROS. It's a fact.
> While the Ovals were starting to gain popularity, they were being run
> on these systems that you describe (Pentium bases, ect..). The races I
> were in had 0 "Zero" warp. The only problems we had were from the
> converted tracks them selves.. being able to run through solid walls,
> and the such.
Those problems are not related. And in fact it opens the fact that anybody > on these systems that you describe (Pentium bases, ect..). The races I
> were in had 0 "Zero" warp. The only problems we had were from the
> converted tracks them selves.. being able to run through solid walls,
> and the such.
can cheat on GPL, something that many people know but nobody will say.
>With luck, the converted N3 tracks (hope there are going
> to be converted) will eliminate that. The prediction code isn't our
> problem, we don't have any problems with prediction.
You probably forgot the 5-6feet warping on both sides racing ovals, the > problem, we don't have any problems with prediction.
squared skid marks on GPL. Just look at those skid marks, you know the
Zigzaggng vvvvvvvvvvvv . Calculate the lenght and you will see how
warpy the cars are in GPL. Serious side-by-side racing is difficult there.
Still, you can race 10cars 1second apart on the NROS at talladega and never
have problems with cars warping like that.>
> It's GPL's
> collision programming that we have a problem with. If N3 is using the
> same collision setup, then you'll have the same problem even if it's on
> a dedicated SUN. If N3 doesn't use this collision programming, then N3
> will be better then GPL in that respect. But running on the dedicated
> SUN won't make a difference.
It shows the superiority of the NROS another time. Better collision > collision programming that we have a problem with. If N3 is using the
> same collision setup, then you'll have the same problem even if it's on
> a dedicated SUN. If N3 doesn't use this collision programming, then N3
> will be better then GPL in that respect. But running on the dedicated
> SUN won't make a difference.
detection.
> Again, we have a centralized place. GPL-GSB. I'm sure that Larry has
> been considering writing something for N3. We haven't heard from him in
> quite some time so I can "assume" that he's working on a N3 GSB as we
> speak.
Well, there might be something else also :) Centralized chat is the most > been considering writing something for N3. We haven't heard from him in
> quite some time so I can "assume" that he's working on a N3 GSB as we
> speak.
easy thing to include in the 3vital needs for the NROS online community.
> the better
> drivers will still make it to the top very quickly and the "gamers" will
> still stay at the bottom
How can you say this ? Who will know when it's total chaos, and every good > drivers will still make it to the top very quickly and the "gamers" will
> still stay at the bottom
driver can't be found because of the thousands of newbie people ? Anybody
could impersonnate others using screenames. How can you know ? There won't
be any form of ranking possibily, how can you know who is who, and what are
those abilities ? How can you know that the guy your racing against is
really him, when screename impersonnation will probably be something that
happens (from my experience using the won.net SIERRA service).
> As far as the counter race drivers and the crashers and such, That is
> a GPL fault. With GPL you have to type "!eject <name>" and that driver
> is gone for the race. In GPL, to my knowledge, there is nothing that
> says a driver can just change his name and re enter a race and do the
> same thing. In N3, we don't know if that same system is going to be used
> or if a system that checks other things (out side of the drivers name)
> first before the driver connects. That type of system that eliminates
> specific drivers no matter what their log on name is could be
> implemented directly into N3 instead of into a SUN server. Till N3
> comes out, and/or unless you have special insight on how Papy is
> designing the N3 multi player system, there is no reason to speculate.
Why do you think Im speculating ? > a GPL fault. With GPL you have to type "!eject <name>" and that driver
> is gone for the race. In GPL, to my knowledge, there is nothing that
> says a driver can just change his name and re enter a race and do the
> same thing. In N3, we don't know if that same system is going to be used
> or if a system that checks other things (out side of the drivers name)
> first before the driver connects. That type of system that eliminates
> specific drivers no matter what their log on name is could be
> implemented directly into N3 instead of into a SUN server. Till N3
> comes out, and/or unless you have special insight on how Papy is
> designing the N3 multi player system, there is no reason to speculate.
> I do like the idea of a centralized racing club such as the SRA. I
> only hope that the SRA doesn't have "exclusive" rights to using N3. As
> it stands with GPL, GPL-GSB is the place to be. If someone were to
> write an application that was better then GPL-GSB, then people would
> migrate there.
Yepo. If a service offered for GPL dedicated servers (real ones) and > only hope that the SRA doesn't have "exclusive" rights to using N3. As
> it stands with GPL, GPL-GSB is the place to be. If someone were to
> write an application that was better then GPL-GSB, then people would
> migrate there.
rankings people would move there. Even if you had to pay a little fee for
it. Because it's superior, as the NROS shows it. Unfortunately we have a
big chance of doing a backward step with N3, because it won't have those
things.
> Again, the only place to be for N2 is on TEN.
Not true. N2 can be raced almost anywhere, from the MSN Zone, to Kali,
Mplayer, etc.. It's normal they are deserted, because as you said above with
GPL "If someone were to write an application that was better then those then
people would migrate there." That's exactly what happened, people migrated
to the NROS because it was superior. Exclusive rights have nothing to do
with that. There is even better things than the NROS, I know people who
race 39drivers in a LAN-type server with N2.
> If the SRA had exclusive rights to
> say they run using N3 specifically then the quality of service would be
> as bad as TEN.
No, it would be as good as TEN. But the point of the SRA is really not to > say they run using N3 specifically then the quality of service would be
> as bad as TEN.
create exclusive things. I mean cmon we are a simple customer-based
association that would like to get answers from SIERRA/NASCAR about the
NROS, issues we have with it in the past/present/future and what will N3
change the NROS to. If the changes they do to the NROS don't please the
association, we will ourselves create a better system using dedicated
servers/rankings/centralized chat.
> I'd like to add that I think it would be better to think of Online
> racing as entity separated from NASCAR Winstin cup racing. Much like
> the Bush racing is a separate entity. I think that a Online Racing
> organization should not include a rankings system because that only puts
> Online racing right beside Quake playing.
Im sorry but we all think of the NROS as a seperate division of NASCAR. We > racing as entity separated from NASCAR Winstin cup racing. Much like
> the Bush racing is a separate entity. I think that a Online Racing
> organization should not include a rankings system because that only puts
> Online racing right beside Quake playing.
are NASCAR's 14th division. And the point about rankings is bollocks.
WinstonCup drivers have rankings. Any form of motorsports has rankings and
statistics. Carreer statistics, season rankings, etc... So they are playing
a game ?
> There
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