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N4 'Save Race in Progress' patch???

Vintoo

N4 'Save Race in Progress' patch???

by Vintoo » Thu, 17 May 2001 20:00:25

GP3 and F1RC are completely different games. If Heat can't do it and GPL
can't do it, then N4 cant' do it. These 3 games are similar. GPL had NO save
race feature and NEVER will. How long has it been out?????????????
Just that little point alone makes me think that it's just not possible so
N4 will probably never have it either. But of course Sierra and Papy could
just come out and say that they will not make a save game patch and everyone
would still whine about it. Oh wait! Sierra already did that.

Vintook




> >I don't recall Papy ever stating a reason for not having the save game
> >feature in N4. I would think perhaps the complicated physics model (
6d0f)
> >may have something to do with it, as GPL does not have it and corrrect me
if
> >I am wrong but Heat doesn't either right?

> No, Heat doesn't either. But, both GP3 and F1RC do, so it can be done.

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Todd Sorense

N4 'Save Race in Progress' patch???

by Todd Sorense » Thu, 17 May 2001 20:05:19



> > Why not a save game feature that would only work when you are stopped in
> > your pit stall??  I would be satisfied with that, but think that a 500
> mile
> > race (remember how relatively short F1 races are) with no option to save
> is
> > unreasonable.

> My personal opinion is that it's philosophical to the developers, not just
a
> question of the time it takes to implement it inside the game.  I take the
> example of Roller Coaster Tycoon (or any "sim"-type games).  Everybody
wants
> a sandbox mode, where you have a flat terrain and unlimited money so you
can
> do anything you want.  But developers never include that mode.  Why?
> Because like a save game, it takes something out of the spirit of the

game.

Real Winston Cup drivers have several advantages over me (in addition to
skill), like their phone doesn't ring, the doorbell doesn't ring, and the
wife and kids don't bother them when they are racing. These are reasons why
I want a save game feature.

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Gregor Vebl

N4 'Save Race in Progress' patch???

by Gregor Vebl » Thu, 17 May 2001 20:20:16

It's always possible to make a savegame feature no matter what the
complexity (memory dump, for example), but the question is, is it
feasible? A savegame is something that needs to be incorporated almost
from the start of designing a game engine, and the GPL engine never
tried to do that. I don't think we'll see it and, personally, I don't
really care.

-Gregor


> GP3 and F1RC are completely different games. If Heat can't do it and GPL
> can't do it, then N4 cant' do it. These 3 games are similar. GPL had NO save
> race feature and NEVER will. How long has it been out?????????????
> Just that little point alone makes me think that it's just not possible so
> N4 will probably never have it either. But of course Sierra and Papy could
> just come out and say that they will not make a save game patch and everyone
> would still whine about it. Oh wait! Sierra already did that.

> Vintook

ymenar

N4 'Save Race in Progress' patch???

by ymenar » Fri, 18 May 2001 01:24:53


> Real Winston Cup drivers have several advantages over me (in addition to
> skill), like their phone doesn't ring, the doorbell doesn't ring, and the
> wife and kids don't bother them when they are racing. These are reasons
why
> I want a save game feature.

Uh, you press pause.

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Marc Collin

N4 'Save Race in Progress' patch???

by Marc Collin » Fri, 18 May 2001 01:44:48

Precisely...

Jagg

N4 'Save Race in Progress' patch???

by Jagg » Fri, 18 May 2001 02:18:24


>GP3 and F1RC are completely different games. If Heat can't do it and GPL
>can't do it, then N4 cant' do it. These 3 games are similar.

How is Heat similar and GP3 and F1RC are not? Are you implying the GP3
and F1RC physics models are arcade and that's why it can be done in
those sims?
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Jagg

N4 'Save Race in Progress' patch???

by Jagg » Fri, 18 May 2001 02:21:22

On Wed, 16 May 2001 01:17:35 -0400, "ymenard"


>Uh yeaaaah N4 really did not go well financially <G>

I was thinking GPL when I posted that. :-)
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Wayne Bradle

N4 'Save Race in Progress' patch???

by Wayne Bradle » Fri, 18 May 2001 02:51:36

Check your sim history. There are a quite a few similarities between N4/GPL
and Heat. Some of programmers for heat were papy employees.

Wayne



> >GP3 and F1RC are completely different games. If Heat can't do it and GPL
> >can't do it, then N4 cant' do it. These 3 games are similar.

> How is Heat similar and GP3 and F1RC are not? Are you implying the GP3
> and F1RC physics models are arcade and that's why it can be done in
> those sims?
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Jagg

N4 'Save Race in Progress' patch???

by Jagg » Fri, 18 May 2001 04:02:56

On Wed, 16 May 2001 12:51:36 -0500, "Wayne Bradley"


>Check your sim history. There are a quite a few similarities between N4/GPL
>and Heat. Some of programmers for heat were papy employees.

So? That still doesn't prove a save game patch could not be done. As
Gregor said, it can be done if they really wanted to spend the
resources doing it.
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Vintoo

N4 'Save Race in Progress' patch???

by Vintoo » Fri, 18 May 2001 07:10:19

Papy and Sierra have already stated that it isn't feasible, either time or
money is the driving force and they have dropped the issue for now(probably
forever). If they are planning on doing a Nascar 5 then you can forget about
a save game feature in a patch because they will be concentrating on N5. The
patches for GPL were done in papy's spare time. If they could do a save game
feature in their spare time then GPL would have had one already.

Vintook


> On Wed, 16 May 2001 12:51:36 -0500, "Wayne Bradley"

> >Check your sim history. There are a quite a few similarities between
N4/GPL
> >and Heat. Some of programmers for heat were papy employees.

> So? That still doesn't prove a save game patch could not be done. As
> Gregor said, it can be done if they really wanted to spend the
> resources doing it.
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Eldre

N4 'Save Race in Progress' patch???

by Eldre » Fri, 18 May 2001 11:51:08




>> Real Winston Cup drivers have several advantages over me (in addition to
>> skill), like their phone doesn't ring, the doorbell doesn't ring, and the
>> wife and kids don't bother them when they are racing. These are reasons
>why
>> I want a save game feature.

>Uh, you press pause.

Which is fine, as long as no one ELSE needs to use the computer in the
meantime...

Eldred
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Jagg

N4 'Save Race in Progress' patch???

by Jagg » Fri, 18 May 2001 12:52:23


>Papy and Sierra have already stated that it isn't feasible, either time or
>money is the driving force and they have dropped the issue for now(probably
>forever). If they are planning on doing a Nascar 5 then you can forget about
>a save game feature in a patch because they will be concentrating on N5. The
>patches for GPL were done in papy's spare time. If they could do a save game
>feature in their spare time then GPL would have had one already.

>Vintook

I am aware of all that Vintook. Just expressing my opinion so that
maybe they start including one in all future games. This should be a
standard feature in racing sims and not a luxury in some.

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Marc Collin

N4 'Save Race in Progress' patch???

by Marc Collin » Sat, 19 May 2001 07:58:02

You'll have to excuse Fran?ois...he either has no family considerations or
he has no consideration of others with families...or both.

Marc.





> >> Real Winston Cup drivers have several advantages over me (in addition
to
> >> skill), like their phone doesn't ring, the doorbell doesn't ring, and
the
> >> wife and kids don't bother them when they are racing. These are reasons
> >why
> >> I want a save game feature.

> >Uh, you press pause.

> Which is fine, as long as no one ELSE needs to use the computer in the
> meantime...

> Eldred
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> Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
> Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
> F1 hcp. +25.37...F2 +151.26...

> Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then beats
you
> with experience...
> Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

ymenar

N4 'Save Race in Progress' patch???

by ymenar » Sat, 19 May 2001 11:29:16


> You'll have to excuse Fran?ois...he either has no family considerations or
> he has no consideration of others with families...or both.

Ahhhh cmon ;-)

No seriously, if something like that happens, well I'll shut down the sim
and re-race it later. No big deal, in those situation the sim is obviously
LESS important since you get OUT of the peecee, so why the need to save
something you obviously don't feel important about?  If you did, you would
let the phone ring or let those people knock on the door ;-)

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Marc Collin

N4 'Save Race in Progress' patch???

by Marc Collin » Sun, 20 May 2001 04:51:25

I am running in the top 5, 3 hours into a race...no, I am not going to just
shut it down and re-race later with a smile on my face.

Marc.



> > You'll have to excuse Fran?ois...he either has no family considerations
or
> > he has no consideration of others with families...or both.

> Ahhhh cmon ;-)

> No seriously, if something like that happens, well I'll shut down the sim
> and re-race it later. No big deal, in those situation the sim is obviously
> LESS important since you get OUT of the peecee, so why the need to save
> something you obviously don't feel important about?  If you did, you would
> let the phone ring or let those people knock on the door ;-)

> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- May the Downforce be with you...
> -- http://www.ymenard.com/
> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez
> Corporation - helping America into the New World...


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