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GPL lap time thresholds

Jan Verschuere

GPL lap time thresholds

by Jan Verschuere » Wed, 15 Mar 2000 04:00:00

I agree it is the drivers... I run in the same F3 league, but also in an F1
league. The racing is the same, because of the drivers.

However, it's significantly easier to acchieve consistent competitive times
in F3, so the field tends to spread less, even at the more "technical"
tracks.

I also agree an F3 is equally hard to drive than an F1. F1 is less
forgiving, but there's that sumptious power to correct/make up for slight
errors. F3 is slightly easier but you need to be on or very near the limit
all the time to be competive.

Jan.=---

Chris Cavin wrote...

> > <snip>
> Not trying to knock the F3's in any way, but I think it's the group of
> drivers you have.  I've run side-by-side for a whole lap at Monza, for
> the first third of the lap at Zandvoort, and various other times at
> other tracks with good, consistent drivers in F1 cars.  I really think
> it's the drivers and not the cars.  I even consider the F3 cars just as
> hard to drive on the limit as the F1 cars.  I find myself spinning much
> more mid-corner in an F3 car than in an F1 car, and I'm not slow by any
> means in an F1 car.

> -Chris-
> a.k.a. "Dirt"

Steve Garrot

GPL lap time thresholds

by Steve Garrot » Thu, 16 Mar 2000 04:00:00

I find that if I do not change tracks every so often, that I get into
a habit of driving the same line, and I try to make it faster, when my
line is wrong! So by switching to another track it allows me to
concentrate on something new to try and do wrong. :-) I, by no means,
am a hotshoe. Rather I would be a slowpoke.

PB at Monza is 1:31 (Eagle), PB at Silverstone is 1:36 (Ferrari), Glen
1:09 ((Coventry), Just did my PB at Spa it is a 3:31:80 (Coventry) I
was so impressed! I can see where my lines are off and where I am
slow, can I fix them now that I know, I hope so, but so far, I have
not.

It also is nice having a brother-in-law as a crew chief to make setups
for me. :->

SLG



Alan Orto

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by Alan Orto » Thu, 16 Mar 2000 04:00:00

I do agree it is the drivers, I've seen some bad f3 races as well. But
racing F3's is a good starting point for learning the lines, car control
and getting used to close company without panicking. I guess that's why
they are called the trainers. ;) It's also good for the seasoned f1 or
f2 veteran to go back to F3's and learn the basics again, it really does
help.
I think f3's are much harder then f1's or F2's at low speeds, they
really slip and slide around and are harder to bring them back. They can
also be harder at high speed turns if you don't have the right line
because you don't have the power to induce oversteer, you have to bail
out or go into the bushes. You really have to keep up your momentum with
f3's. If more people were to learn F3's and F2's first there would be
less wrecks in the F1 races.

> I agree it is the drivers... I run in the same F3 league, but also in an F1
> league. The racing is the same, because of the drivers.

> However, it's significantly easier to acchieve consistent competitive times
> in F3, so the field tends to spread less, even at the more "technical"
> tracks.

> I also agree an F3 is equally hard to drive than an F1. F1 is less
> forgiving, but there's that sumptious power to correct/make up for slight
> errors. F3 is slightly easier but you need to be on or very near the limit
> all the time to be competive.

> Jan.=---

> Chris Cavin wrote...

> > > <snip>
> > Not trying to knock the F3's in any way, but I think it's the group of
> > drivers you have.  I've run side-by-side for a whole lap at Monza, for
> > the first third of the lap at Zandvoort, and various other times at
> > other tracks with good, consistent drivers in F1 cars.  I really think
> > it's the drivers and not the cars.  I even consider the F3 cars just as
> > hard to drive on the limit as the F1 cars.  I find myself spinning much
> > more mid-corner in an F3 car than in an F1 car, and I'm not slow by any
> > means in an F1 car.

> > -Chris-
> > a.k.a. "Dirt"

de_sheph..

GPL lap time thresholds

by de_sheph.. » Thu, 16 Mar 2000 04:00:00



At last someone with PBs similar to mine ... I get very depressed
reading all the "I've been playing GPL for 2 days and I can't seem to
get below 1:25 at Monza" posts that keep coming :-)

Certainly I find different tracks help - track at Monza is wide so you
can get away with straying off line more. I found running at Zandvoort
helped find lines round corners.

GPLdump can be a great help. After ages trying to go faster at Monza I
discovered that I losd most time due braking too much for the 1st Lesmo
+ also I lost time round Curva Grande as I'd been attempting to brake
too late there and thus lost the line and ended up coming out much
slower (actually SpyGirl really showed this as I got a car length ahead
of the saved lap that comes with GPL as I entered CG but by the exit I
was a couple of lengths down)

One interesting test I have is Silverstone which I've used relatively
few times. Initially I had real problems there spinning off at most
corners then after concentratigng other tracks I came back and suddenly
most of the corners "made sense".

Abyway, my current observation is that although I haven't beaten my
Monza PB recently (1:31.5) my average lap time must be going down as
whereas a bit ago a 1:33 was a good lap I'm now regularily getting 1:32s
and have had 2 or 3 in the upper 1:31s

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Damir Jurisi

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by Damir Jurisi » Fri, 17 Mar 2000 04:00:00

DX-deadzones? How do I adjust that and what's the benefit?

Nevertheless, 100% linear is simply too sensitive for my liking as I get
jumpy steering even on straight. Tried it once again yesterday but wasn't
able to better 1:29.5 and gave up on it definitely. With 50% I did 1:28.8
inspite of losing some 0.4 sec going into CG. Somehow I managed to put my FR
on the grass and managed to recover. Should be in 1:27 within 100 laps.

Not bad for a starter, I guess :)

Chris Cavi

GPL lap time thresholds

by Chris Cavi » Fri, 17 Mar 2000 04:00:00


> DX-deadzones? How do I adjust that and what's the benefit?

DXTweak.exe adjusts the dead bands that are built into the DirectX
joystick controller.  Use it to set those dead bands to 0% and
use only the GPL linearity slider to adjust the linearity of your
steering.  I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by the results.
I picked up about 1/2 sec after I reduced mine to zero.  I've also
heard it's expecially important if you use a FF steering wheel.

Get it here: http://www.wingmanteam.com/files/Tools/DXTweak/

-Chris- (aka "Dirt")

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Andrew Busc

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by Andrew Busc » Sat, 18 Mar 2000 04:00:00




> >I spent most of this weekend in the training mode of GPL trying to
> >improve my setups (something I'd never really done intensively before as
> >Alison Hines' and some I got by 'AT' were good enough for starters) and
> >it helps a great deal but I'd like to know what the generally accepted
> >thresholds are for good laps at each track.

> >e.g. Monza sub 1.30 is considered to be a barrier that a lot of people
> >struggle for ages to break. (I finally did it after 4 months of
> >trying!). Under 9mins for Nurbergring, 1.07 at the Glen......

> i beat it recently after 3 weeks of using the lotus with a 129:88.

> and i've been playing the game only 1 month altogether.
> anyone top that ?

Yup ;)
I week, 6 days after buying the game, a managed a 1:29.62 lap at Monza
using the Eagle, with Alison Hine's Ferrari setup (with modified gearing,
of course).  Then again, I haven't managed to break the 1:30 barrier again
since, but I'm consistently in the 1:30's now in practice, 1:31's in
races...

Andrew

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Eldre

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by Eldre » Sun, 26 Mar 2000 04:00:00


writes:

I hate you....
<just kidding>

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Eldre

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by Eldre » Sun, 26 Mar 2000 04:00:00


I've had it for longer - and my PB is only 1:30.50...

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Eldre

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by Eldre » Sun, 26 Mar 2000 04:00:00



>There are 2 different kinds of competitive.....  Finishing well (though
>running slow) because everyone else wrecked or went off course.  And
>then there is being competitive with a stable setup that allows one to
>run with other consistent drivers on the track.  Keeping with them (and
>hopefully passing them) for lap after lap, or holding someone off as
>they attempt to pass you.  

>The first kind of competitive will become rather hollow after awhile.
>The second will only push one to become a better driver.  And to achieve
>the second one, one needs a good stable and controllable setup.  A setup
>that is quick, but allows for consistent laps.

I can do the first, simply because I don't drop out of races that I'm doing
poorly in.  In about 90-95% of my online races, I'm last out of the cars
running...
I've also passed people because of a first lap incident, only to have them roar
past me on the next straight or two.  I had a humiliating experience at Mexico.
 A driver was about half a straightaway behind me.  He caught me so fast that I
let him by in turn one.  By the time I got to the hairpin, he was out of
sight....
Geez, how DO you guys get so fast???

Eldred
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Eldre

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by Eldre » Sun, 26 Mar 2000 04:00:00



>First step is tire temps and tire pressure.....  set camber and pressure
>to get even tire temps across the tire.....   Run alot of laps.... get
>the feel of the car setup....

How many is 'alot of laps'<sic>?  5? 20? 100?  I can run 20-30 laps with a
second of each other - if I'm not trying to go fast.

Eldred
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Eldre

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by Eldre » Sun, 26 Mar 2000 04:00:00


writes:

In the last couple of VROC races I was in, the majority of the time, I drove
around by myself.  The faster cars took off into the distance, and the slower
cars(or less patient drivers) quit.  If I'm gonna drive around solo, I may as
well save my phone bill...<g>

Eldred
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Andrew MacPhers

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by Andrew MacPhers » Sun, 26 Mar 2000 04:00:00

I've been wondering about adding an "AF" suffix to my VROC name. AF for
Always Finishes... at least, I won't deliberately quit a race before it's
over. When people *do* stay there's usually some great racing at the back
of the field.

Andrew McP


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