rec.autos.simulators

by **Jeff Ingra** » Sat, 29 Jun 2002 03:19:43

Hey peps,

Anyone know if there's a Grand Prix 4 demo? If so where can I download it
from?

Thanks,

Jeff

by **Douglas Elliso** » Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:04:02

There was a GP3 demo a few weeks after GP3 came out

Dunno about GP4 - they might be too embarrased

Doug

by **Jeff Ingra** » Sat, 29 Jun 2002 06:52:22

Really? It's that bad? I was under the impression that a lot of work
(good work) was going into this version. Damn, that sounds
disappointing.......

Thanks,

Jeff

> > Hey peps,

> > Anyone know if there's a Grand Prix 4 demo? If so where can I download
it
> > from?

> > Thanks,

> > Jeff

> There was a GP3 demo a few weeks after GP3 came out

> Dunno about GP4 - they might be too embarrased

> Doug

by **Douglas Elliso** » Fri, 28 Jun 2002 21:27:00

Just read back down to archives of this NG.

I think the opinions are about 80% this sucks and 20% this rocks

Doug

by **Davi** » Sat, 29 Jun 2002 02:34:21

Sounds like you need to suck a lot of rocks in order to enjoy GP4 then :)

I've found it okay, but its no match for GT3 on the PS2

DaViD

> > Really? It's that bad? I was under the impression that a lot of work
> > (good work) was going into this version. Damn, that sounds
> > disappointing.......

> Just read back down to archives of this NG.

> I think the opinions are about 80% this sucks and 20% this rocks

> Doug

by **Richard Whitcomb** » Fri, 28 Jun 2002 22:09:29

Its not bad but would better be described as a GP3 service pack. All the
irritating features (black flags etc) remain.

by **John Pancoas** » Sat, 29 Jun 2002 08:29:28

GP 2 should do nicely<G>

John

by **Ruud van Ga** » Sun, 30 Jun 2002 03:14:58

>posted:

>>Sounds like you need to suck a lot of rocks in order to enjoy GP4 then :)

>>I've found it okay, but its no match for GT3 on the PS2

>We just got a PS2 system yesterday and the first game I have played on
>it is GT3. Now I don't have a wheel for it so it's hard to compare.
>But, my first opion of GT3 is that while it has lots to offer, it
>borders more on arcade racer than simulation and is no match for even
>GP3/4 on a PC. I will have some fun with GT3 on the PS2, but my bread
>and butter simming will be done on the PC. I rate GT3 physics on about
>the same scale as SCGT on the PC, maybe a bit worse in fact.

They are just 2 different programs which cater quite a different
audience (or rather, desire; when just going for a drive, use GT3,
when you want some more serious driving, use GP4 or better F12k2).

GTA3 is great; you need quite a nice PC to match the PS2
performance-wise, it turned out here.

Ruud van Gaal
Free car sim: http://www.racer.nl/
Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

by **Nick** » Sun, 30 Jun 2002 06:32:01

Wait for a few weeks until you get to the actual simulation part, with tyre
wear, pitting, and no driving aids. Oh, and get a wheel (a MOMO should do
just fine). Then compare. When you first get GT3 and try out the arcade mode
it seems that way, but it does get quite a bit better.

by **Ruud van Ga** » Sun, 30 Jun 2002 06:50:44

>posted:

>>They are just 2 different programs which cater quite a different
>>audience (or rather, desire; when just going for a drive, use GT3,
>>when you want some more serious driving, use GP4 or better F12k2).

>Yes, I understand that. But when you get these guys comning in here
>and making out like it blows anything away on the PC, well, it's just
>BS.

That's true. For some people graphics is the only thing they see. ;-)

Ruud van Gaal
Free car sim: http://www.racer.nl/
Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

by **Dav** » Sun, 30 Jun 2002 10:30:56

>Wait for a few weeks until you get to the actual simulation part, with tyre
>wear, pitting, and no driving aids. Oh, and get a wheel (a MOMO should do
>just fine). Then compare. When you first get GT3 and try out the arcade mode
>it seems that way, but it does get quite a bit better.

You can turn off the driving aids in "arcade" mode. Well, ABS is
non-defeatable in *any* mode. I don't really discern a difference in the
physics between the modes. Turn the same lap times. Do you really think
there is any difference? Yes, tire wear (mediocre model) and pitting are
missing in arcade. AI is absolutely horrid in all modes.

Don't get me wrong, I think GT3 is one terrific game and maybe worth the
getting a PS2 for all alone. The graphics are great, the sound excellent,
the fun-factor very high. But it isn't the last word in racing simulation.

by **Nick** » Mon, 01 Jul 2002 04:06:36

> posted:
> >Wait for a few weeks until you get to the actual simulation part, with
tyre
> >wear, pitting, and no driving aids. Oh, and get a wheel (a MOMO should do
> >just fine). Then compare. When you first get GT3 and try out the arcade
mode
> >it seems that way, but it does get quite a bit better.

> I did try it simulation mode too. I like it but it doesn't have the
> high fidelity feel of a N2002 to me. As you say though, I should
> really try it with a wheel in all fairness. But I don't want to have
> to buy another expensive wheel. Already have two. PS2 is in the living
> room anyway and there is no where to attach a wheel. It will have to
> be played using a gamepad unfortunately.

It's nowhere near N2002 or GPL, but it's quite good. I think any Logitech
USB wheel will also work on a PS2, but don't buy one just for GT3. Did you
try the professional difficulty in simulation mode? It doesn't allow
traction control, stability control or anything. Taking a Viper out at
Laguna Seca on that mode is as fun as it gets. Oh, and if you ever do try a
wheel, change the settings to sim instead of beginner (which is the default
wheel setting) so it doesn't do any 'steering help'. Have fun.

by **Nick** » Mon, 01 Jul 2002 04:08:59

> >Wait for a few weeks until you get to the actual simulation part, with
tyre
> >wear, pitting, and no driving aids. Oh, and get a wheel (a MOMO should do
> >just fine). Then compare. When you first get GT3 and try out the arcade
mode
> >it seems that way, but it does get quite a bit better.

> Don't get me wrong, I think GT3 is one terrific game and maybe worth the
> getting a PS2 for all alone. The graphics are great, the sound excellent,
> the fun-factor very high. But it isn't the last word in racing

simulation.

I never said it was, and I don't think it is the last word in simulation. It
just gets better the deeper you go.

by **Dav** » Mon, 01 Jul 2002 07:57:14

>>The graphics are great, the sound excellent,
>> the fun-factor very high. But it isn't the last word in racing simulation.

>I never said it was, and I don't think it is the last word in simulation. It
>just gets better the deeper you go.

I never said you said it was ;-)

[from another post of yours]

I'm confused. Isn't "professional difficulty" in arcade mode, ie the one
that requires hitting the L2+R2 buttons or somesuch after clearing the
difficult level? In the sim mode, you always have the choice of how much
traction and/or stability control to use from the Change Settings menu. ABS,
on the other hand, is always on. No way to disable. In the arcade mode, you
can choose to disable traction & stability from the Options menu. Perhaps it
is automatically turned off in "professional"?

by **Nick** » Mon, 01 Jul 2002 18:38:03

There is 'arcade' professional (hold L1+R1 on the difficulty screen), and
'simulation' professional. More things change than just the state of the
driving aids, so turning the aids off in easy mode isn't the same as driving
on the professional mode in the GT side of the game.