As a European, I'd like to learn to distinguish when a pass on the inside
into a corner is acceptable, and when it's considered 'dive bombing' by
Nascar drivers.
Of course, the question occurred to me based on the recent RASCAR events,
but I'm not trying to revive that discussion. I'm really interested in a
definition of the term, I want to learn something about how to behave on
ovals.
Thanks for all comments in advance!
Achim
If he is aware of his surroundings and realizes there could be a nose under
him and he gives the other car room, it's called a clean pass and just hard
racing.
This is all assuming that both cars stay off each other and are both in
control.
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> As a European, I'd like to learn to distinguish when a pass on the inside
> into a corner is acceptable, and when it's considered 'dive bombing' by
> Nascar drivers.
> Of course, the question occurred to me based on the recent RASCAR events,
> but I'm not trying to revive that discussion. I'm really interested in a
> definition of the term, I want to learn something about how to behave on
> ovals.
> Thanks for all comments in advance!
> Achim
>As a European, I'd like to learn to distinguish when a pass on the inside
>into a corner is acceptable, and when it's considered 'dive bombing' by
>Nascar drivers.
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> >I'm wondering, when does a pass on the inside into a turn become 'dive
> >bombing'?
> >As a European, I'd like to learn to distinguish when a pass on the inside
> >into a corner is acceptable, and when it's considered 'dive bombing' by
> >Nascar drivers.
> My interpretation would be a last-second move that would result in a crash
if
> the driver on the outside doesn't take evasive action. Meaning, the
outside
> driver is turning towards the apex, but realized the trailing car is
making a
> bonzai attempt, so he turns out a bit to avoid contact.
Effective (if risky) for getting a position, but it kills your laptimes.
SB
btgoss
> If he is aware of his surroundings and realizes there could be a nose
under
> him and he gives the other car room, it's called a clean pass and just
hard
> racing.
> This is all assuming that both cars stay off each other and are both in
> control.
> > I'm wondering, when does a pass on the inside into a turn become 'dive
> > bombing'?
> > As a European, I'd like to learn to distinguish when a pass on the
inside
> > into a corner is acceptable, and when it's considered 'dive bombing' by
> > Nascar drivers.
> > Of course, the question occurred to me based on the recent RASCAR
events,
> > but I'm not trying to revive that discussion. I'm really interested in a
> > definition of the term, I want to learn something about how to behave on
> > ovals.
> > Thanks for all comments in advance!
> > Achim
That pretty much sums it up IMO.
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Achim
Time and time again, I've seen the person about to be passed chop off the
inside car going into the turn. That is just as bad or worse IMO, than
taking the spot going into a turn.
9 out of 10 times the outside car gets the short end of the stick anyway.
Letting the car go and racing to take the spot back later on just makes more
sense to me. I'd rather race later on for a spot that I lost, than to wreck
now trying to hold that spot.
> btgoss
> > If the car on the outside does not get off the turn well and gets passed
> > going into the turn, he will claim "dive bombing", if he could not cut
the
> > passing car off in time.
> > If he is aware of his surroundings and realizes there could be a nose
> under
> > him and he gives the other car room, it's called a clean pass and just
> hard
> > racing.
> > This is all assuming that both cars stay off each other and are both in
> > control.
> > > I'm wondering, when does a pass on the inside into a turn become 'dive
> > > bombing'?
> > > As a European, I'd like to learn to distinguish when a pass on the
> inside
> > > into a corner is acceptable, and when it's considered 'dive bombing'
by
> > > Nascar drivers.
> > > Of course, the question occurred to me based on the recent RASCAR
> events,
> > > but I'm not trying to revive that discussion. I'm really interested in
a
> > > definition of the term, I want to learn something about how to behave
on
> > > ovals.
> > > Thanks for all comments in advance!
> > > Achim
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> >I'm wondering, when does a pass on the inside into a turn become 'dive
> >bombing'?
> >As a European, I'd like to learn to distinguish when a pass on the inside
> >into a corner is acceptable, and when it's considered 'dive bombing' by
> >Nascar drivers.
> My interpretation would be a last-second move that would result in a crash
if
> the driver on the outside doesn't take evasive action. Meaning, the
outside
> driver is turning towards the apex, but realized the trailing car is
making a
> bonzai attempt, so he turns out a bit to avoid contact.
> Eldred
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It is like the gentlemen's agreement. It just depends on who is doing the
passing and who is getting passed.
Newsman
I would say that the border between a clean pass and dive bombing is that if
the car behind cannot get his nose under the car in front before the braking
for the corner, the resulting situation is dive bombing, regardless if the
car in front notices&gives room or not.
If the passing car can get his nose under the car in front before the
braking and then stays as low as possible (and doesn't get up from there
after turn-in), I would blaim the outside car if there was a crash.
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It become a dive bomb when the Southern American you're passing
completely ignores his spotter saying "car low" and proceeds to come
down into you and then screams at you for an hour after the race,
calling you a wrecker and reporting your behavior to sierra/papyrus.
Often this is accompanied by a flamewar on RAS as well.
As far as I'm concerned, it's only a "dive bomb" if the car on the
inside is unable to hold their line through the corner and washes up
into the other car. Also the car attempting the pass should at least
trigger the "car outside" spotter message before the cars have reached
the turn-in point for the turn. Passing on an oval is all about
getting on the throttle early out of a turn and getting your nose just
inside the rear quarter panel on the following straight rather than
constantly trying to outbrake someone (which usually results in
chaos).
Jason
> > >I'm wondering, when does a pass on the inside into a turn become 'dive
> > >bombing'?
> > >As a European, I'd like to learn to distinguish when a pass on the
inside
> > >into a corner is acceptable, and when it's considered 'dive bombing' by
> > >Nascar drivers.
> > My interpretation would be a last-second move that would result in a
crash
> if
> > the driver on the outside doesn't take evasive action. Meaning, the
> outside
> > driver is turning towards the apex, but realized the trailing car is
> making a
> > bonzai attempt, so he turns out a bit to avoid contact.
> Eldred's got it; this was what we used to call "stuffing" someone in
> motocross. You compromise your own line and exit speed by going in too
deep
> and too tight for the purpose of taking track position, and the passee
will
> have to alter his intended line to avoid contact.
> Effective (if risky) for getting a position, but it kills your laptimes.
> SB
