rec.autos.simulators

by **Ace** » Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:00:00

The modern F1 car gets as much of it's total springing from the air in the
tyres as it does from the suspension. If the chassis rocks when you rev the
engine, the car's broken.
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-Ace-

> You can't even see the suspension move when they're cornering at 3 G ;)

> > > People are still going to judge them on an even level. Personally the
> > first
> > > thing I am going to do to GP3 is jump in the car and rev the motor. If
> the
> > > chasis doesn't move then I'm taking the game back because obviously
they
> > > didn't factor in all the physics. I might just give it a chance too!
> > heheh.

> > > Vintook

by **Toni Lassi** » Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:00:00

On Tue, 27 Jun 2000 18:54:18 +0100, "Gradee \"The BoDee\" Ventura"

>> thing I am going to do to GP3 is jump in the car and rev the motor. If the
>> chasis doesn't move then I'm taking the game back because obviously they
>> didn't factor in all the physics. I might just give it a chance too!
>Firstly, waht are you talking about? Of course the chassis will move if you
>rev it. It will not if it's in neutral. I think if this isn't modeled in a

I think he might have been meaning on neutral :)

by **Jan Verschuere** » Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Now there's a recipe for a fight if I ever saw one. Lol... perish the
thought!

Jan.
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by **Kevin Gavit** » Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Firstly, he MEANS in neutral! Jump into a muscle car with stock springs. Put
it in neutral, now rev the baby up. The car rocks in response to the motor
torque.

A modern F1 is so stiffly sprung that this effect is barely noticeable, if
at all.

As for the deal with taking sims back, have you ever heard the expression
"pig in a poke"? That's what we are doing when we buy software.

You seem to have a backwards idea of just what consumer laws are about. They
are to PREVENT someone from buying a pig in a poke, and are to MAKE the
seller take things back. They are to protect the CONSUMER from shoddy
merchandise.

Would you buy a car in a shrink wrapped box? Even if you test drive the car
don't you have the right to return it or demand it be put right if it's
faulty?

Of course you do. Just as you can return any other merchandise that's
faulty, and in most cases just because you changed your mind.

That's BECAUSE there are consumer laws.

by **Wolf** » Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:00:00

I'm so pleased my original post generated so much discussion:) Personally I
am not expecting too much from GP3.....but I can hope:)

by **Gradee** » Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Erm, not exactly..... your right what you say about it protecting the
consumer but EB or whoever the game is bought from have rights too you know.
I mean if they***you or something and give you a faulty product then the
law kicks in and your entitled to a refund or whatever.....

Some people around here seem to have this confused.
Like when F12K came out, loads of people claimed that they took it back. To
my knowledge there was nothing at all wrong with F12K only that it didn't
live up to some peoples great expectations..... the law doesn't kick in
there...... the only thing that kicks in is a sales assistant who just takes
it back because he couldn't be bothered listening to your moaning:-)

by **Ian** » Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:00:00

The consumer protection act basically states that "a product must be
suitable for the purpose it was purchased, if not you may demand a repair,
refund or exchange" This also applies to items which may develop a fault
within a reasonable time of purchase.
If you buy say F1 2000 and it won't run satisfactorily on your PC even
though your PC meets the specification stated on the box then it is
unsuitable for the purpose it was purchased and you have a right to demand
an exchange or refund.
I'm not sure exactly what the definition of reasonable is, that's where the
lawyers / solicitors come in :)
I suppose technically if you buy an F1 sim and then decide you don't think
it represents a reasonable simulation of F1 then it is unsuitable. ( I'm not
saying I think F1 2000 does not represent a reasonable simulation of F1 <G>)

Anyway many stores now accept returns for a refund for any reason :)

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Ian P
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by **hanse..** » Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:00:00

IMHO you should be able to return something if you don't like it. No
questions asked. I tend to purchase from merchants who share this
opinion. As far as "legal rights". We are talking about 50 bucks
here. How much is your time worth?

Chris H.

>The consumer protection act basically states that "a product must be
>suitable for the purpose it was purchased, if not you may demand a repair,
>refund or exchange" This also applies to items which may develop a fault
>within a reasonable time of purchase.
>If you buy say F1 2000 and it won't run satisfactorily on your PC even
>though your PC meets the specification stated on the box then it is
>unsuitable for the purpose it was purchased and you have a right to demand
>an exchange or refund.
>I'm not sure exactly what the definition of reasonable is, that's where the
>lawyers / solicitors come in :)
>I suppose technically if you buy an F1 sim and then decide you don't think
>it represents a reasonable simulation of F1 then it is unsuitable. ( I'm not
>saying I think F1 2000 does not represent a reasonable simulation of F1 <G>)

>Anyway many stores now accept returns for a refund for any reason :)

>--
>Ian P
><email address invalid due to spam

>> Erm, not exactly..... your right what you say about it protecting the
>> consumer but EB or whoever the game is bought from have rights too you
>know.
>> I mean if they***you or something and give you a faulty product then
>the
>> law kicks in and your entitled to a refund or whatever.....

>> Some people around here seem to have this confused.
>> Like when F12K came out, loads of people claimed that they took it back.
>To
>> my knowledge there was nothing at all wrong with F12K only that it didn't
>> live up to some peoples great expectations..... the law doesn't kick in
>> there...... the only thing that kicks in is a sales assistant who just
>takes
>> it back because he couldn't be bothered listening to your moaning:-)

by **David Butte** » Thu, 29 Jun 2000 04:00:00

<snip>

I'm delighted to hear that. How soon before a public website is up?

--
David. (GPLRank handicap: +39.92)
"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
really."
(Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

by **Kevin Gavit** » Thu, 29 Jun 2000 04:00:00

EB is protected only by contract law and the commercial code.

In this case you are being asked, as a consumer, to buy a pig in a poke. You
have to make the purchase BEFORE you are allowed to determine whether it
meets your satisfaction. The ONLY way to test it at all is FIRST make the
purchase.

Consumer law is specifically designed to protect the purchaser from just
such a situation. It is the very situation the very first consumer laws were
to prevent.

Pig in a poke. "Poke" is an archaic word for bag. A shyster would often
attempt to sell someone a pig, but not let them actually see or examine the
pig. Often the pig turned out, upon examination, to be nothing but a stray
cat. Hence the phrase "Let the cat out of the bag", meaning to expose a
secret, comes from the exact transaction.

Software is a pig. Sometimes literally. But it is in a bag. The shrinkwrap.
You arn't allowed to even LOOK at what you are buying until you have already
bought it.

How do you suppose these people are supposed to KNOW whether they like the
game or not when they buy it?

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