rec.autos.simulators

The other thing you're overlooking (IMO) is that there are other games
out there that do well with cheaper steering wheels.  I've never had
any problems with GP2 or F1RS (both are games wich I've played a lot
with).  I usually don't have any problems with other more "arcadish"
racing titles (I've played a bunch of them, but never for a really
long time).  The only problems I'm having at this time is with papy's
sims.  Some of you will say that it's because all those other
sims/games don't hold as much realism as GPL does, but what if maybe
they're not doing things quite right...  Fireproof suit on...

A. Renault

l8er
ronny

--
Toys'R'Us '99: "So, would you like a hand gun with that action figure,
kiddo?"

          |\      _,,,---,,_        I want to die like my Grandfather,
   ZZZzz /,`.-'`'    -.  ;-;;,_              in his sleep.
        |,4-  ) )-,_. ,\ (  `'-'     Not like the people in his car,
       '---''(_/--'  `-'\_)            screaming their heads off!

No, no and NO again <g>

Keyboards are a completely separate issue since the on/off digital inputs
are being pre-processed to simulate an analgue input. It may well be that
keyboard works best with a linear setting (don't know - never tried it
and never will) but it has nothing to do with whether linear or
non-linear is suitable for a wheel.

Non-linear is primarily designed as an aid for joystick users because it
is very hard to make small accurate movements around the centre position
of most joysticks. With a decent wheel this should not be an issue. A
direct relationship between amount of steering wheel movement and front
wheel movement makes cornering one hell of a lot more precise, especially
in slower corners.

The big drawback with non-linear steering is that whilst you may get
smooth precise steering for a few degrees either side of centre, it then
changes to quite large movements. If this happens as you're turning into
a corner with GPL then there is a high chance of inducing a snap spin.

The main problem with linear steering is controlling the car on the
straights or through very fast corners. Whilst this can be learnt with
practice, the ease of doing so does depend on the quality of the wheel.

Cheers,
Richard

Just in response to your world cup crap, I hate footy, so it really doesn't
bother me who wins.

Byron, I bought my Nascar Pro Wheel a month ago.  I spent good money on it.

supposed to do?  Should I mail order one of those 700 buck things with a
Momo wheel on it?  Tell me Byron, since you are so much smarter than me and
so much more enlightened about racing simulations than me or anyone else in
this NG.

I've already tried this, it seemed like a good idea at the time...
Man I thought I was drunk or something...  But now I find that GPL
is'nt "pushing the limits of racing reality" as well as CPR does...

;o)

A. Renault

Good to see you didn`t take it personal, it was, like I said, never ment
as an attack on you.

My point is; if two people have a heated argument, to the point of being
abusive or at least very close, then one of them decides that this is
leading nowhere and tries a different approach and start using his
brain, what good is this if the other person just keeps on being abusive
?

Now I have of course read his reply to you on this post, and the fact
that he chose to reply to you in a very agrssive manner and did not
reply to any post AFAIK that suggested a fix for his problem could mean
that he IS out to pick a fight, but I still think that when people make
an effort to move away from fighting and into a more constructive way of
communicating, we should give them a chance.

Maybe I`m just getting too old to fight :-)

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
UncleGoy on TEN

PS I think Norway HUMILIATED Brazil the last time we met in a footy
match (last year) 4-2 I belive the score was, should`ve been more :-),
Norway WILL be World Cup Champions this year (err, maybe not :-)

Good to see you didn`t take it personal, it was, like I said, never ment
as an attack on you.

My point is; if two people have a heated argument, to the point of being
abusive or at least very close, then one of them decides that this is
leading nowhere and tries a different approach and start using his
brain, what good is this if the other person just keeps on being abusive
?

Now I have of course read his reply to you on this post, and the fact
that he chose to reply to you in a very agrssive manner and did not
reply to any post AFAIK that suggested a fix for his problem could mean
that he IS out to pick a fight, but I still think that when people make
an effort to move away from fighting and into a more constructive way of
communicating, we should give them a chance.

Maybe I`m just getting too old to fight :-)

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
UncleGoy on TEN

PS I think Norway HUMILIATED Brazil the last time we met in a footy
match (last year) 4-2 I belive the score was, should`ve been more :-),
Norway WILL be World Cup Champions this year (err, maybe not :-)

BTW, no flame, trying to help...honestly! (You have to be carefull these
days!)

l8er
ronny

--
Toys'R'Us '99: "So, would you like a hand gun with that action figure,
kiddo?"

          |\      _,,,---,,_        I want to die like my Grandfather,
   ZZZzz /,`.-'`'    -.  ;-;;,_              in his sleep.
        |,4-  ) )-,_. ,\ (  `'-'     Not like the people in his car,
       '---''(_/--'  `-'\_)            screaming their heads off!

says...

Perhaps that's part of your problem, Charles.....the ***
bands/cleaning the pots.
I've had my ancient T1 ever since they were released.  I have religiously
cleaned all the potentiometers on a regular basis, adjusted tension in
the shock cord and generally carried out a regular maintenance routine.

Over the years I've had to replace broken pedal springs, tension-less
shock cord and a steering potentiometer, but the unit has performed
beautifully, in all manner of driving simulations.....including ALL
Papyrus sims, both of Crammonds, several "no-namers" and now the GPL
demo.

--
Regards,
---
Bruce.

The Grand Prix Legends Historic Motor Racing Club:-
http://www.racesimcentral.net/

On Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:30:17 -0400, "Charles Mak"

I would have thought that if your wheel is playing up after only 1
month, TM will replace the whole thing... A month isn't long, but you
can't expect anything mechanical (with moving parts) to not need
attention. That's like buying a car to get from A to B and moaning
about brake or tyre wear. I've played GPL with a T2. Seems ok to me.

I can understand this.. What I don't understand is the constant amount
of critism. :) You wish to be entertained by GPL. Through control
inputs and the complexity of the physics you haven't been. The moment
you recieved some "surprised" feedback from people who like GPL, it
suddenly has become a war! Why you need to go as far as the "Papy
lovers" I don't know... I would love Papyrus just watching someone
else play their sims, even if I'd never tried myself. Quality spawns
quality, and it shines through. Personally I have never caught the
Quake or Red Alert bug. I would consider myself interested in those
style of games but they become boring very quickly. I go back and fire
up N2 etc.. I don't feel the need to start telling people what should
be in a obviously fantastic game which I can't get it to... Ok they're
from a different genre, but I could write pages on how to make GP2
into a racing sim.

As for going back to Gp2, go for it!! If it gives you the jollies then
that's all that matters!? GP2 has always been poor in my view because
of absolutely terrible frame rate, as with TOCA. You can't get
anything fun (IMO) out of a slow-mo product. When people don't moan
about this aspect you know they are _not_ after a realistic game.
Other than that the way that GP2 feels so stuck to the road is just
far to "hovercraft" for me. Once you turn all the aids off and you
find yourself in what appears to be an F1 car of GPL-difficulty
proportions. But then the darn frame rate bites you! It's a vicious
circle, and it does appear to me at least, that many of the helps seem
to merely help keep you from spinning mainly because of the lack of
fluidity. I get a real feeling I am only driving the car a 1/3rd of
the time.

Jon.