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GPL about to come off the shelf...

Woodie

GPL about to come off the shelf...

by Woodie » Tue, 18 May 1999 04:00:00



No one knows, it hasn't been done yet.

Don McCorkle
Libertarian Motorsports

ymenar

GPL about to come off the shelf...

by ymenar » Wed, 19 May 1999 04:00:00



> >The other question is about hardware...what is the minimum spec required
to
> >run GPL with everything on?

> No one knows, it hasn't been done yet.

Bollocks.  A normal good PC bough today can easily run GPL everything on, in
1024x768

Just get a good 12+meg  Glide card (ex: Voodoo3), a Processor around 500mhz+
.  It will fun at 36fps with everything on, every sound on, every graphic
detail on and 19AI.

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John Walla

GPL about to come off the shelf...

by John Walla » Wed, 19 May 1999 04:00:00



Seconded. We've done this WAAAAAAY too many times already.

Cheers!
John

John Walla

GPL about to come off the shelf...

by John Walla » Wed, 19 May 1999 04:00:00


>If you had a very slow system and GPL ran at 1 fps, would you be
>surprised to find that the sim didn't respond to your input as
>well as a person who could run it at 36fps?
>Its the same thing, from 20 - 36fps.
>It has nothing to do with 'simulation rate tied to framerate'.

Zonkie's right though, the simulation itself still runs at a constant
rate (unless we're talking GP2). What is different is that the
information is only presented to you 20 times per second, so while you
are able to make changes 36 times per second (presuming control inputs
are being read) you don't have new information on which to base
control changes.

At 36fps you get the information and can react to it.

Cheers!
John

Byron Forbe

GPL about to come off the shelf...

by Byron Forbe » Fri, 21 May 1999 04:00:00

I remember having used GP2 for ages b4 I got ICR2. ICR2 ran at a
constant 30fps and running a sim like this made me loose all interest in
GP2. I can definantly feel relative jerkiness in anything below 30 in
ICR2. And I echo the statement above about GPL running at anything other
than 36 fps (ie relative jerkiness)- whatever the reasons. I think once
you become acustomed to higher frame rates that there's no going back :)

> As for the frame rate question, is there a physical limit on what is useful?
> All i've ever seen is heresy, and nothing of a respectable source saying what
> is a real limit. What i am inclinded to believe, especialy in the case of GPL
> and other sims is that *if* the limit was 25fps for what u could see, then
> if you're sitting just on the mark, you'll notice it when momentarily (heavy
> traffic, smoke, etc) it dips below. The higher frame rate (36, etc) will give
> you more of a safety net.

> Z.

> Please remove NOSPAM from my email address when replying.

Zonk

GPL about to come off the shelf...

by Zonk » Fri, 21 May 1999 04:00:00


>Errr did I say 20-36? No... I said between 40-60.

>Read what I said then answer the comment I made there not some imaginary
>one. As for rushing over to the Quake group, I know a lot of *extremely*
>good FPS players and a bunch of people who make those games and they
>generally agree that once you reach a certain plateau the extra fps are
>really not that beneficial to the game, thus most people take that as a cue
>to raise the resolution.
>I share a flat with someone who has spent large sums of money ekeing the
>last fps out of his system (SLI V2, TNT etc) but has stopped as he has
>reached the point of diminishing returns. This is what I was talking about
>not that there is *no* difference but you reach a point where as far as
>playing a game goes there is no *discernable* difference. From there on it
>becomes an ego thing "My PC can do demo1 at 66fps, yours is slower".

What a sad lamer. Why doesn't he spend money on something cool now like
DVD/LD's?


>>This same *tired* thread gets started about 3-4 times per year.

>>"The human eye cannot detect above xxx fps.. blah, blah."

>>It has been disproven 100's of times in this newsgroup and the
>>flight-sim newsgroup during the 10 years I have been on usenet.

>>You are simply incorrect.

Documented examples please. And i'm not talking about Joe Smoe, spending money
on a new TNT & V2 Sli wanting to find some difference and/or justification in
his spend.

I've still not seen a shred of prrof that 30fps via 60fps is an advanatge or
what. nad i'm talking a constant 30fps, not subject to dropout and peaks at
lower than 30fps. (which obviously higher average frame rates help u with).

Z.

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Meij

GPL about to come off the shelf...

by Meij » Fri, 21 May 1999 04:00:00



heh

Oh my God... someone seems to understand my point. Whatever next?

M

Michael E. Carve

GPL about to come off the shelf...

by Michael E. Carve » Fri, 21 May 1999 04:00:00


% Documented examples please. And i'm not talking about Joe Smoe, spending money
% on a new TNT & V2 Sli wanting to find some difference and/or justification in
% his spend.

% I've still not seen a shred of prrof that 30fps via 60fps is an advanatge or
% what. nad i'm talking a constant 30fps, not subject to dropout and peaks at
% lower than 30fps. (which obviously higher average frame rates help u with).

In the effort to conserve bandwidth (and tempers), instead of continuing
to rehash old turf-war battles go to the following URL's and read what
others have to say on this topic.
http://www.firingsquad.com/features/faceoff/6-fps/default.asp

http://www.sony-europe.com/tve/trinitron/100hz.html

http://www.ping.be/powervr/fps_discus.htm

http://www.robinsonresearch.com/MOVIES/part_IB.htm

from http://www.student.hk-r.se/~pt93mm/thesis/domain_paper.html
The qualifier 'Real-time' narrows the domain further. By this term
we do not mean to imply that the system will have to deal with hard deadlines
that are critical to the functionality of the application. Instead, the
term is used to point out that we are talking about animation. This
simply means that the frames must be produced at a speed that tricks the
human eye to perceive flicker-free, or at least almost flicker-free
motion. In practice, 'flicker-free' means 20 - 30 frames per second,
"almost flicker-free" might be around 10 frames per second. Occasional
frame rate drops to less than 10 frames per second might or might not be
acceptable, depending on the application.

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Chris Schlette

GPL about to come off the shelf...

by Chris Schlette » Fri, 21 May 1999 04:00:00

This is truly stupid (and so is this post).  We don't need to know who or
why you are kill filling someone.  Write them email, not posting it to the
net.

Enough with the "*plonk*"


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