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by **alex** » Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:19:09

I'm glad to hear confirmation that there's no catch.
I haven't checked their offerings in mainstream music,
but in the carrying hard to get albums they're pretty
good. They have about half of what I'd like to buy, and
what they don't have are more often than not some
obscure bands that can only be obtained my mail order
(well, some of them are hard to get even by mail order).
Price-wise, I have no problem with their
current rates (40 songs per month for 10USD), they're saying
that they share it 50/50 with label and artists and to
me the price and the whole deal sound fair. I'm not
looking for a better deal, paying money to artists,
independent labels and service providers like eMusic
seems to be in our best interests. In the end many of those
musician have a day jobs unrelated to music, which is
part of the problem, because they often don't bother to
publish they work, which makes it really hard to get :(
But I'm glad not to pay to the music stores, big labels
and RIAA who add nothing to the quality of the product :)

Alex.

by **Larr** » Wed, 17 Mar 2004 12:04:05

All of my stuff is pretty old too.

I think the newest CD I have is a Wallflowers CD.

Today's music, for the most part, just doesn't trip my trigger.

Oddly, I remember my parents saying the same thing at my age LOL

-Larry

> > BTW Mike...

> > My PC Speakers and Sound Card cost MORE than the rest of my system put
> > together ($700) so as you can see sound quality is pretty important to
> > me :)

> > -Larry

> I used to be very heavily into music, but I have become very
> disenchanted with the whole industry. The only cd I have gotten in last
> couple of years was a gift. I have hundreds of CD's..but, with the
> exception of the Live Rush in Rio cd, I can't say I have anything that is
> new.

> dave henrie

by **Larr** » Wed, 17 Mar 2004 12:05:15

I'm still very passionate about music, just not todays music under todays
marketing situation.

-Larry

> >> But, I think the only CD I've bought
> >> recently(besides a couple of Miles Davis CDs) is Audioslave.

> > Audioslave? Gee Eldred, you're an even cooler dude than I thought
> > ;)

> Audioslave rocks!

> But I must say I'm sad to see the cynicism and jaded views here on
> music. I guess I'm still young enough to be passionate about music. ;-)

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by **Larr** » Wed, 17 Mar 2004 12:06:33

The last CD I bought, which was about 2 weeks ago, was Chris Issaak's "Heart
Shaped World". It's old :)

-Larry

by **Larr** » Wed, 17 Mar 2004 12:10:03

Oh, my. Here we go :)

-Larry

> On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 04:11:41 -0500, "Mike Beauchamp"

> Even uncompressed CD audio isn't lossless.

> Jason

by **Larr** » Wed, 17 Mar 2004 12:21:50

BTW.... I tried re-burning the AAC files in the PC version of iTunes. The
upper frequencies are still _very_ weak compared to the original AAC, which
is fine.

I wish there was a way to convert directly to MP3 but they won't allow that.

I pretty much have all the singles in 'protected' format that I care to buy.
I think that's it for me.

Dammit.

-Larry

> All of my stuff is pretty old too.

> I think the newest CD I have is a Wallflowers CD.

> Today's music, for the most part, just doesn't trip my trigger.

> Oddly, I remember my parents saying the same thing at my age LOL

> -Larry

> > > BTW Mike...

> > > My PC Speakers and Sound Card cost MORE than the rest of my system put
> > > together ($700) so as you can see sound quality is pretty important to
> > > me :)

> > > -Larry

> > I used to be very heavily into music, but I have become very
> > disenchanted with the whole industry. The only cd I have gotten in last
> > couple of years was a gift. I have hundreds of CD's..but, with the
> > exception of the Live Rush in Rio cd, I can't say I have anything that
is
> > new.

> > dave henrie

by **Jason Moy** » Thu, 18 Mar 2004 02:02:04

>Oh, my. Here we go :)

Nah, not trolling, and if I were I think people here are smart enough
to not take the bait. :)

Sometime I'll post pics of my studio to put my audio-snobbery in
perspective. I've spent quite a bit of time searching out rare analog
gear and newer high-rate digital stuff that minimizes digital aliasing
(all of my digital gear does internal processing at either 24 or 32
bits, which still isn't good enough, but I can deal). Trust me, when
you run a nice fat analog synthesizer or tube amp through a
digital/audio converter even a non-hifi snob can hear the difference
in tone. :)

Jason

by **Jason Moy** » Thu, 18 Mar 2004 02:17:46

On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 18:17:45 -0600, Dave Henrie

> There was a statement last summer that pretty much sealed the deal for
>me. Somebody official was asking why the soundtrack to the Spiderman movie
>cost more than the DVD.

I believe the technical term is "price fixing".

Of course, things would be better if people would sue the RIAA and
actually follow through with it instead of settling for money. I
mean, what was the point of the most recent class-action lawsuit?
Everyone was mailed $13, which isn't even enough to buy a CD, and
they're trying to encourage you to give it back to them anyway. "Here
have $13 to spend on our products." Barely makes up for how much CD's
are marked up above cost.

Someone needs to actually sue and not accept any settlement money so
these greedy ***ers have to face the long arm of anti-trust law. I
suspect it's not going to happen in my lifetime. Thank god for
independent labels and distributors.

Jason

by **Mike Beaucham** » Thu, 18 Mar 2004 00:14:04

You're trying to bring up an arguement for no reason. When I'm talking about
"lossless", i'm talking in respect to the source, which is a CD. Sure a CD
is lossy if your source is the original reels, masters, or DVD-A or
something. But it was painfully obvious that I was talking about a CD as the
source.

Mike
http://mikebeauchamp.com

> On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 04:11:41 -0500, "Mike Beauchamp"

> >Just a question about the whole iTunes thing, since you seem to be
smart...

> >How do you feel paying for a lossy version of something? You mentioned
FLAC,
> >so you obviously know that there are compression formats out there that
are
> >lossless...

> There are?

> Even uncompressed CD audio isn't lossless.

> Jason

by **Mike Beaucham** » Thu, 18 Mar 2004 14:22:47

Oh yeah man, 16bit CD's are pretty lame in my opinion, especially how some
of them get mastered for CD's. Some can still sound pretty good, even with
the limits of frequency response and sampling of a CD.

I remember seeing a post somewhere about a recent Rush CD that was full of
clipping because it was mastered too loud. Pretty stupid if you ask me..

I'm a big fan of Neil Young, and he's always spoken out against CD's
claiming the same thing you and I are talking about.. and has been very
reluctant to release a lot of his stuff that was originally on vinyl on to
CD. Just this year, 5 albums which werent' available on CD came out with
some verrry well done remastering and HDCD compatibility (something I dont
have equipment to listen to). His new album is coming out on DVD audio as
well..

I'm sure if he knew about music being sold to the consumer as compressed
mp3, or whatever the hell apple's format is.. he'd probably have something
to say :)

Mike
http://mikebeauchamp.com

> >Oh, my. Here we go :)

> Nah, not trolling, and if I were I think people here are smart enough
> to not take the bait. :)

> Sometime I'll post pics of my studio to put my audio-snobbery in
> perspective. I've spent quite a bit of time searching out rare analog
> gear and newer high-rate digital stuff that minimizes digital aliasing
> (all of my digital gear does internal processing at either 24 or 32
> bits, which still isn't good enough, but I can deal). Trust me, when
> you run a nice fat analog synthesizer or tube amp through a
> digital/audio converter even a non-hifi snob can hear the difference
> in tone. :)

> Jason

by **Eldre** » Tue, 23 Mar 2004 07:14:06

>Today's music, for the most part, just doesn't trip my trigger.

I like it, but not enough to go buy the CD. The problem is, there are usually
only 1 or 2 songs off the CD that I like. One song is not going to get me to
part with $14 or more...
I also like stuff like Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, and Mudvayne. I have a
very...eclectic music collection. :-)

hehe

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by **Eldre** » Tue, 23 Mar 2004 07:14:06

>Audioslave? Gee Eldred, you're an even cooler dude than I thought ;)

Thankyouverymuch...<g>

Not in a while...

Eldred

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by **Eldre** » Tue, 23 Mar 2004 07:14:05

Hey Jason -
I'd be interested in seeing the pics. I need to figure out how to get all my
stuff so I can record through the computer. I assume that's easier(and easier
to work with) than using outboard gear? I have a DA-20 that I put in my rack,
but I haven't connected it yet. I really need to get my but in gear to work on
my CD...

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by **Jason Moy** » Tue, 23 Mar 2004 09:02:02

What kind of gear do you have? If you're recording stuff straight to
the DA-20 (that's a DAT recorder right?) then you could find a
cheap-ish soundcard with spdif inputs and just dump it digitally into
the PC and get something like Cubase SX to mix it down. What I would
probably do, is just get an analog or digital mixer and record/mix
everything on the pc, then dump it out to DAT on the DA-20 once it's
mixed/mastered for sending off to labels/cd-pressing/etc. I guess it
depends on what you're using DAT for (I have to admit I've never
worked with it).

Right now my studio is setup pretty simply, altho I'm thinking about
replacing my analog Behringer mixer with an Event EZBus so I can dump
everything straight to digital instead of having to use a shitty
soundcard A/D converter.

My setup is pretty simple:

All of the audio inputs and outputs on my gear go into a couple
Behringer Ultrapatch Pro 2000 patchbays so I can easily patch signals
around. There's a tiny bit of bleed-through between adjacent ports on
that model and it's unbalanced, but they also cost $30 and are easy to
configure.

All of my MIDI gear goes into an Edirol UM-880 8x8 USB midi patchbay
for similar reasons (being able to control any of the gear via any of
my other gear, plus being able to do patch editing/storage from the
PC).

From one of the ultrapatch audio patchbays, I run 10 ports into a $50
Behringer UB 1002 mixer (4 balanced stereo ins, 2 mono/xlr balanced
stereo ins) and send the main outs on that through a balanced Y-cable
(1/4" stereo pair to 1/8" phono) and into the line-in on my soundcard
for A/D conversion with whatever software I'm currently using.

I'm still wiring up the MIDI stuff, I'll try to post pictures when
that's done.

Overall, I'm actually moving in the opposite direction from most
people now who seem to be getting into the "do everything on the
computer" aspect. I started recording in the late 80's/early 90's
doing everyting based around a computer and basically in the last few
years I've started switching everything to outboard gear because IMHO
it's easier to work with for creative reasons (plus a dedicated DSP
chip in a piece of hardware still sounds better 9 times out of 10). I
mean, I guess I just don't get inspired staring at a PC screen all day
anymore. I still use a PC for doing the basic
recording/editing/mixing but I typically try to have everything more
or less ready to mix before it gets to my PC, give or take some
equalization.

Jason

by **Eldre** » Wed, 24 Mar 2004 11:33:35

Besides the DAT(which I've had for a while but never used), I have a computer
with an Audigy2 interface. I also borrowed an Alessis 1622 mixer from a friend
to connect my keys, tone modules, and sampler. I was looking at recording on
the PC because I thought that editing and changing ideas around would be
easier. Maybe I'm just not understanding the process, so I don't know which
way to go.
I wanted to use the 1622 for my midi/keyboard rig - I have 8 different sound
sources, 9 if I fix the Mirage. I also want to be able to record guitar, bass,
and acoustic drums. One of these days I'll actually get my ***in gear and
start recording. I should just start recording, no matter how it sounds, just
for the practice and experience. As of now, my equipment is just collecting
dust.

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