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"Short Shifting" - A Valuable Road Racing Learning Tool

Tom Pabs

"Short Shifting" - A Valuable Road Racing Learning Tool

by Tom Pabs » Wed, 24 Jul 2002 21:07:24

[In an effort to encourage more "road racers" among sim drivers, especially
in N2K2, I'm passing on some of the tools I learned from other drivers
during my 10 years or so of active racing experience - particularly those
that I found adapted well to sim racing.  Last week I talked about driving
the track backwards....same as a backwards " track walk."  Here's another
tool that I found to be invaluable to learn a new road course.]

**Using Short Shifting To Learn New Road Courses**

I first heard this term back in 1987 when I was driving for the BMW factory
team in the SCCA Escort Endurance Pro Series.  My co-driver, Andy Evans - a
driver with considerably more experience than I at the time - taught this to
me (and I have sense read about it - in one form or another - in many "how
to" road racing books).  We were running most of the road courses in North
America that year and that included Mosport in Canada.  Practically every
race event, meant a brand new road course for me.  Unlike in sim racing, I
did not have the luxury of bending our race car several times on Thursday
and Friday (practice sessions), while I learned the track.  Funny how it
works that way in real racing! .....lol.....  But, learning a new road
course quickly is not an easy thing to do for most drivers.  You can't just
"go slow"....because while that may give you the opportunity to see where
the track goes....it does nothing to help you quickly develop a "rhythm" for
racing at speed on the track.  What I learned is that "short
shifting".....does both!

By definition, the technique of "short shifting" almost explains itself in
the name.  You shift short of your normal engine rpm limit.  The key is -
you do it in every gear!  Example:  Let's say you normally would shift your
race car at 8,000 rpm (high limit).  So....first gear you run up to 8,000
rpm - shift to second.  Second gear up to 8,000 rpm and shift to
third.....etc.

To learn a new road course (using our example) - all you need to do is
choose a lower shift point (say 5,000 rpm when first rolling out onto a new
road course)!  Pretty simple stuff here.

After a few laps....and you are getting a feel for where the track
goes.....you might raise your shift point to say, 5,500 rpm.......then to
6,000 rpm in a few more laps....etc.  It won't take long before you are
running laps at or near your normal shift limiter.  All the while....you've
developed your rhythm for running at that track....because you have not
dramatically changed where your shift points are on the track.....from your
slowest to your fastest laps.

There's one **key** element to add:  Never (never means
n.e.v.e.r.).....during this learning process.....NEVER brake later than the
first brake marker ("first" meaning the first one you come to at every
turn).  If you always brake at the earliest brake marker....and you are not
at maximum approach speed to the turn.....you can never get into trouble
with too late of a brake point....even if you don't know the track!  You can
move your braking points up track in later sessions........when you are
comfortable with your speeds and shifting points.  [And, you can use a
similar process by incrementally moving them....just like you did your shift
limits.]

I used this extensively throughout 1987  - running in the ESCORT Endurance
Series.  Within about an hour's track time.....I was running at 95% of my
fastest times....by the end of the entire weekend of racing.  That is a
quick learning curve (for me at least)......and this works!  Try it.

I hope this is helpful to some of you guys who hate road courses!
.....lol......

Regards,

Tom

PS:  "Short Shifting" has multiple uses.  It will also work if you want to
run conservative laps for a portion of a race.....to conserve fuel.......to
conserve tire wear........to cool overheated tires and brakes.  By moving
your shift limit down only a couple hundred rpm.....you conserve fuel, tires
and brakes.  AND....you don't upset your "rhythm pattern" of shifting very
much (almost not at all.....your shift points will only change a few feet on
the track).  Need to conserve more?  Less?   Move your shift limit down 500
rpms.......only 100 rpms.  See how this works?  This is an excellent method
to run conservation laps during the middle stints of a long race......that
are still **consistent** lap times.  You'll make your crew chief very happy
if you are driver that can use this "tool" of short
shifting.....effectively!

Joel A. Willstei

"Short Shifting" - A Valuable Road Racing Learning Tool

by Joel A. Willstei » Wed, 24 Jul 2002 21:57:28

Tom,

     Thanks for the info. That's how I've been learning all the new tracks
that our SNRL FD league (GPL) has been visiting, as well as following the
full F1 season in F2002.  But I've been taking 1st,2nd, and 3rd to the red
line, and have gotten into trouble a number of times.  I'll try your method
with 1st marker braking. Hopefully your method will not only let me learn
the tracks quicker, but should lower the fustration level considerably.

Joel Willstein

--

"If you can leave black marks on a straight from the time you exit a corner
till the time you brake for the next turn
, then you have enough horsepower."
Mark Donohue


GTX_SlotCa

"Short Shifting" - A Valuable Road Racing Learning Tool

by GTX_SlotCa » Wed, 24 Jul 2002 23:00:04

"The fastest way to go slow is to brake too late", eh Tom?
;-)

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Slot

Tweaks & Reviews
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Scott B. Huste

"Short Shifting" - A Valuable Road Racing Learning Tool

by Scott B. Huste » Wed, 24 Jul 2002 23:28:09

LOL

This reminds me of my first lap at Watkins in GT-1 Tom.   "Mr. Hot Shoes"
that I was didn't need no stinking safe braking marker.   This is GT-1!  You
drive these cars into the corners hard!!

So after going through the experience of looping into the grass and
believing I was about to see my life flash before my eyes (No nice sand
traps back then!!), my next attempt at turn 1 at Watkins had my braking
point become the S/F Line.   ROFLMAO

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Scott B. Husted
PA-Scott
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http://www.Husted.cc


Joe Marque

"Short Shifting" - A Valuable Road Racing Learning Tool

by Joe Marque » Wed, 24 Jul 2002 23:43:12


<snipped entirely worthless training tool>

This is bullsh*t.  I don't even have to try this to know it is a complete
waste of time.  I had a dream about short shifting and it didn't work.  This
is incontrovertible proof that it's a bad idea.  Now you may think I should
still try it but being a Jedi allows me to sense the effectiveness and I
sense it is worthless.  As a Vulcan I find this approach completely
illogical.  I went to the David Powell Racing Academy where he teaches the
one right way to learn how to race.  This isn't that ONE way, so what's
wrong with you?

What is your obsession with all these creative and useful approaches?
Please stop.

--
Joe Marques

LGE

"Short Shifting" - A Valuable Road Racing Learning Tool

by LGE » Thu, 25 Jul 2002 02:13:29

No idea about real racing but short shifting does help me a lot in n2002
especially at sears since the car doesnt rip loose everytime i hit the
throttle and it also makes it possible to run with more tape in the front .
The car will last easily with 40% tape and 95 deegres for a full 50% race if
you shortshift through the gears and there is no slowdown in laptimes
whatsoever (i can only do 1:20-1:22 no matter how i drive)

Liked the drive the track backwards idea too if nothing else its good fun!

LGE





> > [In an effort to encourage more "road racers" among sim drivers,
> especially
> > in N2K2, I'm passing on some of the tools I learned from other drivers
> > during my 10 years or so of active racing experience - particularly
those
> > that I found adapted well to sim racing.  Last week I talked about
driving
> > the track backwards....same as a backwards " track walk."  Here's
another
> > tool that I found to be invaluable to learn a new road course.]

> > **Using Short Shifting To Learn New Road Courses**

> <snipped entirely worthless training tool>

> This is bullsh*t.  I don't even have to try this to know it is a complete
> waste of time.  I had a dream about short shifting and it didn't work.
This
> is incontrovertible proof that it's a bad idea.  Now you may think I
should
> still try it but being a Jedi allows me to sense the effectiveness and I
> sense it is worthless.  As a Vulcan I find this approach completely
> illogical.  I went to the David Powell Racing Academy where he teaches the
> one right way to learn how to race.  This isn't that ONE way, so what's
> wrong with you?

> What is your obsession with all these creative and useful approaches?
> Please stop.

> --
> Joe Marques

Joachim Trens

"Short Shifting" - A Valuable Road Racing Learning Tool

by Joachim Trens » Thu, 25 Jul 2002 05:11:09

nice one :-)

Achim




> > [In an effort to encourage more "road racers" among sim drivers,
> especially
> > in N2K2, I'm passing on some of the tools I learned from other drivers
> > during my 10 years or so of active racing experience - particularly
those
> > that I found adapted well to sim racing.  Last week I talked about
driving
> > the track backwards....same as a backwards " track walk."  Here's
another
> > tool that I found to be invaluable to learn a new road course.]

> > **Using Short Shifting To Learn New Road Courses**

> <snipped entirely worthless training tool>

> This is bullsh*t.  I don't even have to try this to know it is a complete
> waste of time.  I had a dream about short shifting and it didn't work.
This
> is incontrovertible proof that it's a bad idea.  Now you may think I
should
> still try it but being a Jedi allows me to sense the effectiveness and I
> sense it is worthless.  As a Vulcan I find this approach completely
> illogical.  I went to the David Powell Racing Academy where he teaches the
> one right way to learn how to race.  This isn't that ONE way, so what's
> wrong with you?

> What is your obsession with all these creative and useful approaches?
> Please stop.

> --
> Joe Marques

Tom Pabs

"Short Shifting" - A Valuable Road Racing Learning Tool

by Tom Pabs » Thu, 25 Jul 2002 06:53:35

ROFLMAO.........you are lucky you have the ability to breath air these days,
Mr. Scott!

I guess we all do something like that.....at least once, huh?

Mine was my third SCCA GT-1/2/3 race at Portland International.....rookie
season.  I'd DNF'd the first race.......won the second race.....and now two
months into the season its "Race #3" and I'm feeling like a veteran hot
shoe!  I roll off the hot grid for the morning practice (on
Saturday).....and go screaming down the straight (Portland's straight is
nearly a mile long).  I'm doing about 165mph.......here comes the 5
marker....then the 4 marker.....I'm ready for my 3 1/2 regular
marker.....then I go "OHHHH Shit".........I had totally forgot it was
raining!

Ahhhmm.  Some of you may be familiar with Portland International
Raceway......you'll recall that the Portland Golf Club......8th hole....is
about 300 yards off the end of T-1 at Portland International
Raceway........grass all the way from the track to the golf course, too!  In
the case of this day....it was very wet grass!  I stopped just short of the
sand trap on the left front of the green!  .....lol.....  I was so far off
the track they didn't even bother to throw a yellow!  .......lol.....

I spent a good portion of the remaining Saturday morning......laundering my
new driver's suit in a washtub at the track.....in the men's room.  I also
got a glorious 20 minutes in the trailer with Mr. Skip Yoccum.....Chief Of
Stewards.  I can't repeat any of the lecture I got (I was still on a
three-race probation to get my SCCA Regional License)......but my ears were
burning and my ass was burning......the rest of the day!

You know, it was very clearly raining that morning, too.

Tom



> LOL

> This reminds me of my first lap at Watkins in GT-1 Tom.   "Mr. Hot Shoes"
> that I was didn't need no stinking safe braking marker.   This is GT-1!
You
> drive these cars into the corners hard!!

> So after going through the experience of looping into the grass and
> believing I was about to see my life flash before my eyes (No nice sand
> traps back then!!), my next attempt at turn 1 at Watkins had my braking
> point become the S/F Line.   ROFLMAO

> --
> Scott B. Husted
> PA-Scott
> ICQ# 4395450
> http://www.Husted.cc



> > There's one **key** element to add:  Never (never means
> > n.e.v.e.r.).....during this learning process.....NEVER brake later than
> the
> > first brake marker ("first" meaning the first one you come to at every
> > turn).  If you always brake at the earliest brake marker....and you are
> not
> > at maximum approach speed to the turn.....you can never get into trouble
> > with too late of a brake point....even if you don't know the track!

Tom Pabs

"Short Shifting" - A Valuable Road Racing Learning Tool

by Tom Pabs » Thu, 25 Jul 2002 07:05:08

LOL....Joe.......stop pouring gasoline on the fire, will ya? ......lol.....

TP




> > [In an effort to encourage more "road racers" among sim drivers,
> especially
> > in N2K2, I'm passing on some of the tools I learned from other drivers
> > during my 10 years or so of active racing experience - particularly
those
> > that I found adapted well to sim racing.  Last week I talked about
driving
> > the track backwards....same as a backwards " track walk."  Here's
another
> > tool that I found to be invaluable to learn a new road course.]

> > **Using Short Shifting To Learn New Road Courses**

> <snipped entirely worthless training tool>

> This is bullsh*t.  I don't even have to try this to know it is a complete
> waste of time.  I had a dream about short shifting and it didn't work.
This
> is incontrovertible proof that it's a bad idea.  Now you may think I
should
> still try it but being a Jedi allows me to sense the effectiveness and I
> sense it is worthless.  As a Vulcan I find this approach completely
> illogical.  I went to the David Powell Racing Academy where he teaches the
> one right way to learn how to race.  This isn't that ONE way, so what's
> wrong with you?

> What is your obsession with all these creative and useful approaches?
> Please stop.

> --
> Joe Marques

Dave Pollatse

"Short Shifting" - A Valuable Road Racing Learning Tool

by Dave Pollatse » Thu, 25 Jul 2002 12:02:35

At Skip Barber they used that technique with the Formula Dodge cars--on the
first day they gave you an RPM limit of 4000 or whatever, and then each
session they'd give you a progressively higher limit.  The first time they
let us shift at the redline was pretty intense, with the little 2.0 L engine
making an incredible racket right behind my head...
-Dave P.

PS.  Another technique that I've learned for road courses, that would work
for sims, is to spend a fair amount of time just driving the course in my
head.  (This is also good for learning how to land a plane).  One advantage
is that when I do it my head, I do it perfectly every time, so I'm not
practicing doing it wrong.  Also, it really makes me learn the track so I'm
thinking ahead, instead of just reacting to the track.  Usually at a real
track, track time is very precious, so you spend a lot of time waiting
around with your brain going at 9000 RPM, whereas in a sim, it's too easy
just to keep lapping blindly, because it's "free".  A few laps in the "brain
sim" might be a good alternative.  I have a hard time learning a track
normally, so this method might not help those who pretty much get the whole
layout down after a lap or two.  YMMV.


> LOL....Joe.......stop pouring gasoline on the fire, will ya?
......lol.....

> TP





> > > [In an effort to encourage more "road racers" among sim drivers,
> > especially
> > > in N2K2, I'm passing on some of the tools I learned from other drivers
> > > during my 10 years or so of active racing experience - particularly
> those
> > > that I found adapted well to sim racing.  Last week I talked about
> driving
> > > the track backwards....same as a backwards " track walk."  Here's
> another
> > > tool that I found to be invaluable to learn a new road course.]

> > > **Using Short Shifting To Learn New Road Courses**

> > <snipped entirely worthless training tool>

> > This is bullsh*t.  I don't even have to try this to know it is a
complete
> > waste of time.  I had a dream about short shifting and it didn't work.
> This
> > is incontrovertible proof that it's a bad idea.  Now you may think I
> should
> > still try it but being a Jedi allows me to sense the effectiveness and I
> > sense it is worthless.  As a Vulcan I find this approach completely
> > illogical.  I went to the David Powell Racing Academy where he teaches
the
> > one right way to learn how to race.  This isn't that ONE way, so what's
> > wrong with you?

> > What is your obsession with all these creative and useful approaches?
> > Please stop.

> > --
> > Joe Marques

Tom Pabs

"Short Shifting" - A Valuable Road Racing Learning Tool

by Tom Pabs » Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:54:44

Dave.....

Good input, Dave.

Also.....its good to hear from you.  I missed you at E3 this year...were you
guys there?

Regards,

Tom


> At Skip Barber they used that technique with the Formula Dodge cars--on
the
> first day they gave you an RPM limit of 4000 or whatever, and then each
> session they'd give you a progressively higher limit.  The first time they
> let us shift at the redline was pretty intense, with the little 2.0 L
engine
> making an incredible racket right behind my head...
> -Dave P.

> PS.  Another technique that I've learned for road courses, that would work
> for sims, is to spend a fair amount of time just driving the course in my
> head.  (This is also good for learning how to land a plane).  One
advantage
> is that when I do it my head, I do it perfectly every time, so I'm not
> practicing doing it wrong.  Also, it really makes me learn the track so
I'm
> thinking ahead, instead of just reacting to the track.  Usually at a real
> track, track time is very precious, so you spend a lot of time waiting
> around with your brain going at 9000 RPM, whereas in a sim, it's too easy
> just to keep lapping blindly, because it's "free".  A few laps in the
"brain
> sim" might be a good alternative.  I have a hard time learning a track
> normally, so this method might not help those who pretty much get the
whole
> layout down after a lap or two.  YMMV.



> > LOL....Joe.......stop pouring gasoline on the fire, will ya?
> ......lol.....

> > TP





> > > > [In an effort to encourage more "road racers" among sim drivers,
> > > especially
> > > > in N2K2, I'm passing on some of the tools I learned from other
drivers
> > > > during my 10 years or so of active racing experience - particularly
> > those
> > > > that I found adapted well to sim racing.  Last week I talked about
> > driving
> > > > the track backwards....same as a backwards " track walk."  Here's
> > another
> > > > tool that I found to be invaluable to learn a new road course.]

> > > > **Using Short Shifting To Learn New Road Courses**

> > > <snipped entirely worthless training tool>

> > > This is bullsh*t.  I don't even have to try this to know it is a
> complete
> > > waste of time.  I had a dream about short shifting and it didn't work.
> > This
> > > is incontrovertible proof that it's a bad idea.  Now you may think I
> > should
> > > still try it but being a Jedi allows me to sense the effectiveness and
I
> > > sense it is worthless.  As a Vulcan I find this approach completely
> > > illogical.  I went to the David Powell Racing Academy where he teaches
> the
> > > one right way to learn how to race.  This isn't that ONE way, so
what's
> > > wrong with you?

> > > What is your obsession with all these creative and useful approaches?
> > > Please stop.

> > > --
> > > Joe Marques

Scott B. Huste

"Short Shifting" - A Valuable Road Racing Learning Tool

by Scott B. Huste » Thu, 25 Jul 2002 22:13:23

I don't think I remember anything that was said to me the rest of the day as
with my heart not beating and no *** going to the brain... the only thing
I can remember was hoping I brought additional underwear.   <G>

I remember going straight, applying the brake.. more, then more, then white
smoke and thinking....  hmm, this isn't working!!  LOL   So lets try this
genius move, let off the brake and turn into the corner!   YES.. Lets see
how many 360s we can do before you get a mouth full of old tires and guard
rail.

I'm still not sure how the only damage was tearing the front body work off.

--
Scott B. Husted
PA-Scott
ICQ# 4395450
http://www.racesimcentral.net/


rik zeppeli

"Short Shifting" - A Valuable Road Racing Learning Tool

by rik zeppeli » Thu, 25 Jul 2002 22:33:05

great info, thx Tom!


Tom Pabs

"Short Shifting" - A Valuable Road Racing Learning Tool

by Tom Pabs » Fri, 26 Jul 2002 00:58:51

Hope it helps you, Rik.......it shouldn't hurt you at least (that's the
idea).

Regards,

Tom


> great info, thx Tom!



> > [In an effort to encourage more "road racers" among sim drivers,
> especially
> > in N2K2, I'm passing on some of the tools I learned from other drivers
> > during my 10 years or so of active racing experience - particularly
those
> > that I found adapted well to sim racing.  Last week I talked about
driving
> > the track backwards....same as a backwards " track walk."  Here's
another
> > tool that I found to be invaluable to learn a new road course.]

> > **Using Short Shifting To Learn New Road Courses**

> > I first heard this term back in 1987 when I was driving for the BMW
> factory
> > team in the SCCA Escort Endurance Pro Series.  My co-driver, Andy
Evans -
> a
> > driver with considerably more experience than I at the time - taught
this
> to
> > me (and I have sense read about it - in one form or another - in many
"how
> > to" road racing books).  We were running most of the road courses in
North
> > America that year and that included Mosport in Canada.  Practically
every
> > race event, meant a brand new road course for me.  Unlike in sim racing,
I
> > did not have the luxury of bending our race car several times on
Thursday
> > and Friday (practice sessions), while I learned the track.  Funny how it
> > works that way in real racing! .....lol.....  But, learning a new road
> > course quickly is not an easy thing to do for most drivers.  You can't
> just
> > "go slow"....because while that may give you the opportunity to see
where
> > the track goes....it does nothing to help you quickly develop a "rhythm"
> for
> > racing at speed on the track.  What I learned is that "short
> > shifting".....does both!

> > By definition, the technique of "short shifting" almost explains itself
in
> > the name.  You shift short of your normal engine rpm limit.  The key
is -
> > you do it in every gear!  Example:  Let's say you normally would shift
> your
> > race car at 8,000 rpm (high limit).  So....first gear you run up to
8,000

> > rpm - shift to second.  Second gear up to 8,000 rpm and shift to
> > third.....etc.

> > To learn a new road course (using our example) - all you need to do is
> > choose a lower shift point (say 5,000 rpm when first rolling out onto a
> new
> > road course)!  Pretty simple stuff here.

> > After a few laps....and you are getting a feel for where the track
> > goes.....you might raise your shift point to say, 5,500 rpm.......then
to
> > 6,000 rpm in a few more laps....etc.  It won't take long before you are
> > running laps at or near your normal shift limiter.  All the
> while....you've
> > developed your rhythm for running at that track....because you have not
> > dramatically changed where your shift points are on the track.....from
> your
> > slowest to your fastest laps.

> > There's one **key** element to add:  Never (never means
> > n.e.v.e.r.).....during this learning process.....NEVER brake later than
> the
> > first brake marker ("first" meaning the first one you come to at every
> > turn).  If you always brake at the earliest brake marker....and you are
> not
> > at maximum approach speed to the turn.....you can never get into trouble
> > with too late of a brake point....even if you don't know the track!  You
> can
> > move your braking points up track in later sessions........when you are
> > comfortable with your speeds and shifting points.  [And, you can use a
> > similar process by incrementally moving them....just like you did your
> shift
> > limits.]

> > I used this extensively throughout 1987  - running in the ESCORT
Endurance
> > Series.  Within about an hour's track time.....I was running at 95% of
my
> > fastest times....by the end of the entire weekend of racing.  That is a
> > quick learning curve (for me at least)......and this works!  Try it.

> > I hope this is helpful to some of you guys who hate road courses!
> > .....lol......

> > Regards,

> > Tom

> > PS:  "Short Shifting" has multiple uses.  It will also work if you want
to
> > run conservative laps for a portion of a race.....to conserve
> fuel.......to
> > conserve tire wear........to cool overheated tires and brakes.  By
moving
> > your shift limit down only a couple hundred rpm.....you conserve fuel,
> tires
> > and brakes.  AND....you don't upset your "rhythm pattern" of shifting
very
> > much (almost not at all.....your shift points will only change a few
feet
> on
> > the track).  Need to conserve more?  Less?   Move your shift limit down
> 500
> > rpms.......only 100 rpms.  See how this works?  This is an excellent
> method
> > to run conservation laps during the middle stints of a long
race......that
> > are still **consistent** lap times.  You'll make your crew chief very
> happy
> > if you are driver that can use this "tool" of short
> > shifting.....effectively!

Eldre

"Short Shifting" - A Valuable Road Racing Learning Tool

by Eldre » Sat, 27 Jul 2002 02:14:07


writes:

Interesting.  I've had people ride along as I'm driving, and they berate me for
shifting too soon.  I do it normally as a matter of course.  I think it might
be because I don't *know* where the shift points are, so I shift early to avoid
engine damage.  Or it just sounds like that's where I *should* be shifting.
One thing I *do* know - I rarely blow engines during races(maybe 3-5 in 4 years
of online racing).  Doesn't help me win any, though...<g>

Eldred
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