Hai,
I bought the Microsoft Sidewinder 3Dpro a couple of months ago,
after demolishing two Wingmans. The fire-button of the Wingman
was not constructed for a lefty with muscles.
The Sidewinder however doesn't work for DOS-based games running under
Windows95. There is a timing problem, Origin confirmed this.
Where are the joysticks for lefties,
> Just a thought, I don't think I've ever heard of a left-handed F-16,
> F14, or F15. They seem to all be right handed models.
> Jim
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Adrian Drake (Tremor)
http://prozac.cwru.edu/adrian/
McFadyen) writes:
>>The funny thing is, most (not all) joystick companies are NOT doing
>>their research, since it is estimates that more than 50% of joystick
>>users are lefthanded (much higher than the typical 10% lefties in the
>>general population). So, by only making only a right-handed stick,
>>you're effectively reducing your potential sales, buy up to 50% in
>>the worst case.
>*boggle* I'm a lefty, and I know several others who use sticks, and to
>a man, we all fly right handed. Training from old video games eh?
>Those were almost all right-hand-control, and its what I fly best at.
--
KC8BEX
"Don't tell me what I don't want to know. I'll tell you what I don't
want to know, and I'll tell you when I don't want to know it."
>>If you could change anything about your current joystick, what would
>>it be? (Please provide the name of your current stick and explain why)
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>I have a basic CH Flightstick (not even a pro). I like it, but the *only*
>reason I haven't bought a newer, fancier stick is that virtually NONE of them
>are for lefthanders (me). The only lefty stick I've seen (can't remember
>which one) didn't seem very good (control positions sucked).
>The funny thing is, most (not all) joystick companies are NOT doing their
>research, since it is estimates that more than 50% of joystick users are
>lefthanded (much higher than the typical 10% lefties in the general
>population). So, by only making only a right-handed stick, you're
>effectively reducing your potential sales, buy up to 50% in the worst case.
I am also a lefty, but have an additional problem. My son who is
right handed enjoys playing games. A left or right handed stick is
not enough. We need a left *and* right handed stick. We were using
the Flitestick CH which is neutral handed. We just bought a MS
Sidewinder. This serves pretty well. I just have to "palm" the two
side buttons, which are nearly flush with the stick on the left side.
Niether of us liked the other sticks that have all the buttons on the
top. The angle felt wrong for our thumbs. Too forced back.
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Gary Dyrkacz
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> > Just a thought, I don't think I've ever heard of a left-handed F-16,
> > F14, or F15. They seem to all be right handed models.
> > Jim
> Yeah, I can see it now, it's the middle of the war, and there's a bunch of
> right handed pilots, and all they have left is left handed airplanes. Can you
> imagine how STUPID that would be?
> All military planes are designed for right handed control flight. This is because
> a majority of people are right handed. If you want to be a fighter pilot, you
> had better learn to be right handed. Thus, all flightsticks, which are based off
> of military jet controllers, are designed for right-handers, to be realistic.
> It sure would be nice to have a left handed wingman extreme tho. yes, I'm left
> handed. I still manage to do some pretty good asskicking in games like Descent tho.
> even with my cheap-ass 2 button lamerstick. Hey, you do with what you can.
> --
> Adrian Drake (Tremor)
> http://prozac.cwru.edu/adrian/
>>Greg
I played Tie Fighter (cool game!) with a friend's Flightstick Pro and
CH Throttle (regular). Four buttons and a 4-way switch on the FS Pro
and 12 total programmable buttons/switch-positions on the throttle.
It was cool, but it wasn't enough for me. I got the FS Pro, but waited
for the Pro Throttle instead (20 buttons/switch-positions on the throttle
plus it can program the FS Pro, too, plus a digital throttle (can do keys)
so it can be used in games that don't use an analog throttle). It still
isn't *quite* enough (there are just too many keys that you need to use,
so you have to decide which ones you can afford to have to reach to the
keyboard for).
I think I need two of the FS Pro's buttons to be programable 4-way switches
instead! (Actually, the CH Products F-16 Fighterstick would give you four
4-way switches, but I'm used to the design of their Flightstick Pro.)
-Rob Parker
>Since this is in an open forum, if any of the you who respond wish to
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>Thanks beforehand for your response. Now for the question:
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>If you could change anything about your current joystick, what would
>it be? (Please provide the name of your current stick and explain why)
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The Sidewinder Pro's hat is unresponsive otherwise just copy it! I mean
it! The stick fits my large hand without putting buttons and switches in
the way, the two buttons on the left side are in the perfect position: my
thumb fits right between when I don't need them and they are right there
when I do. the trigger and the secondary button are responsive and give
good feed back. Unfortunately, the hat sucks the big one! It is too small
and mushy. I find the high end thrustmaster to be the most uncomfortable
stick I have ever used. Why would anyone a stick esensitally designed by
the government?
Does anybody know if there exists a TSR program to convert analog
throttle signal to digital ? For example, sending one key when the
throttle is all the way down, another when it is in the lower half,
third in the zero position (with adjustable dead zone), fourth in the
upper half and fifth when the throttle is full open. Keys could be
user-mappable, making sequences like 0,-,<nothing>,+,9 possible.
This doesn't sound like too hard to implement.
PS. This thought came to me when playing Tie Fighter with Gravis
Firebird... I suppose LucasArts are not coming up with a patch to
allow for analog throttle in TF :(
Ok, here I go
1) Think MW2, the Clans. What makes the clan mechs so great? Eveything
is modular! Try this idea. A base unit with just a shaft sticking out
of it. The tip of the shaft contains pin connections where several
different types of grips can be inserted. So you don't have to sell a
right hand and left hand version of the stick just right or left hand
grips. You can have flight grips, normal game grips, throttle grips,
etc.
2) The base units can be daisy chained like current throttle grips so
people can have one joystick and one throttle, or even 2 joysticks
together (like Robotron) or even 2 people can play at the same time.
3) Make EVERYTHING programmable! That means the buttons, even the axis
movements!
4) Make it digital.
5) Considering that grips will be interchangable, have several
different grip configurations. I thought of one being like this.
A 8 way top hat (all directions programable)
2 triggers, one for index finger, one for middle finger
A little finger button
At least 4 buttons accessible by the thumb
6) Get an add-on unit that can make all daisychained units wireless
(use IR or RF) so people don't have to worry about all those wires.
Heck make it so people can plug in their keyboards and make it
wireless too!
That all for now, gotta eat dinner.
I, for one, like this one...
> 1) Think MW2, the Clans. What makes the clan mechs so great? Eveything
>is modular! Try this idea. A base unit with just a shaft sticking out
>of it. The tip of the shaft contains pin connections where several
>different types of grips can be inserted. So you don't have to sell a
>right hand and left hand version of the stick just right or left hand
>grips. You can have flight grips, normal game grips, throttle grips,
>etc.
> 2) The base units can be daisy chained like current throttle grips so
>people can have one joystick and one throttle, or even 2 joysticks
>together (like Robotron) or even 2 people can play at the same time.
> 3) Make EVERYTHING programmable! That means the buttons, even the axis
>movements!
> 4) Make it digital.
> 5) Considering that grips will be interchangable, have several
>different grip configurations. I thought of one being like this.
> A 8 way top hat (all directions programable)
> 2 triggers, one for index finger, one for middle finger
> A little finger button
> At least 4 buttons accessible by the thumb
> 6) Get an add-on unit that can make all daisychained units wireless
>(use IR or RF) so people don't have to worry about all those wires.
>Heck make it so people can plug in their keyboards and make it
>wireless too!
>That all for now, gotta eat dinner.
NO FLAMES PLEASE lemme explain..
During the course of history, Roman-Catholic church linked the right hand with
'normal' and the left hand with 'the hand of the devil'. Children who pointed
out to be left-handed were beaten. Beaten long enough to 'teach' them to work
Right-handed. So in the end, the Right hand was seen as the 'factory standard'
which explains the industrial compulsion to design Right Handed.
Sure a factory standard has it's pro's: It's cheaper to produce and easier to
teach how the stupid machine works, 'cause the controls are standardized.
So in short: Flight controls are not right-handed, because the 'majority' is
right-handed. They're right-handed for the sake of industrial standards. A
standard which is chosen somewhere in time ever used since.
Dennis Lemckert
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People always love themselves best. But in a world so
interconnected that harm to one is harm to all, the best way
of loving one's self is to love everyone else, too
-- Isaac Asimov --
Which surveys? I have read and heard in several places that left handers make
up only 10% of the population. So with this taken as the percentage, it MAY
make sense (may or may not be right) to make controls for right handers because
they do make up a significant majority of the population.
Kevin
PS this does not leave out the industrial standard explanation, standards have
sometimes eliminated better ideas.
:
: >All military planes are designed for right handed control flight. This is because
: >a majority of people are right handed. If you want to be a fighter pilot, you
: >had better learn to be right handed.
:
: Little point of thought: What do you actually define as Majority?
: Surveys have pointed that the ratio Left / Right handers is around the 49,5 /
: 50,5 percent.. Just --slightly-- the majority....
what total bullshit
what surveys did you read?
the ratio is more like 9:1 or 10:1 in favour of right handers..
:
: NO FLAMES PLEASE lemme explain..
:
: During the course of history, Roman-Catholic church linked the right hand with
: 'normal' and the left hand with 'the hand of the devil'. Children who pointed
: out to be left-handed were beaten. Beaten long enough to 'teach' them to work
: Right-handed. So in the end, the Right hand was seen as the 'factory standard'
: which explains the industrial compulsion to design Right Handed.
: Sure a factory standard has it's pro's: It's cheaper to produce and easier to
: teach how the stupid machine works, 'cause the controls are standardized.
:
: So in short: Flight controls are not right-handed, because the 'majority' is
: right-handed. They're right-handed for the sake of industrial standards. A
: standard which is chosen somewhere in time ever used since.
:
: Dennis Lemckert
: -----
: People always love themselves best. But in a world so
: interconnected that harm to one is harm to all, the best way
: of loving one's self is to love everyone else, too
: -- Isaac Asimov --
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