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Papyrus have shut up shop :(

Rob Berryhil

Papyrus have shut up shop :(

by Rob Berryhil » Mon, 10 May 2004 04:29:17


VU and Sierra *destroyed* all the good companies they touched. First
with Dynamix and now with Papyrus. Things always go in cycles, so maybe
the big corporations with cycle out in a few years and we'll go back to
some smaller, better development houses making their own decisions
again.

--
Rob Berryhill

Eldre

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by Eldre » Mon, 10 May 2004 06:24:54

That would be nice, but I'm not holding my breath.

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Goy Larse

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by Goy Larse » Mon, 10 May 2004 06:43:51


> >Andrew McP

> >Who'll be my role-model?
> >Now that my role-model is...
> >Gone.

> So...can we call you Al?
> :-)

That one would get my vote for best ever music video.... or at lest for
best music video without scantily clad women

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
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elrik

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by elrik » Mon, 10 May 2004 07:23:02


snip

You wouldn't know a cunning plan if it were to jump up and down in front of
you wearing pink panties and singing "Cunning Plans Are Here Again".  ;o)

Elrikk

With apologies to both you and Black Adder, but couldn't resist.

Tony Rickar

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by Tony Rickar » Mon, 10 May 2004 07:33:16


> > Mind you I have no idea what kind of salary we are talking about nor how
> > many of us would pay. Which is a slight flaw in my cunning plan...

> > Cheers
> > Tony

> You wouldn't know a cunning plan if it were to jump up and down in front
of
> you wearing pink panties and singing "Cunning Plans Are Here Again".  ;o)

Nonsense...

...it is a plan as cunning as a fox who's just been appointed Professor of
Cunning at Oxford University.

Colin Harri

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by Colin Harri » Mon, 10 May 2004 09:19:57


Yeah? I'll take that for what it's worth - a Norwegian's view on pop music
:-)

Let me see...A-Ha, one bit of Aqua, and?

(FWIW, Sabotage by the Beastie Boys is the best :-)  )

Ruud Dingeman

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by Ruud Dingeman » Mon, 10 May 2004 12:11:20


>>against?  Maybe GPL2 will come back.
> That would be nice, but I'm not holding my breath.

With the GPLEA cars, hundreds of tracks and now especially the 65 Mod
we've already GOT GPL2 (well, maybe GPL 1.9) basically. Chances of a
Papyrus resurrection are slim indeed, but it's not like nothing new has
come out last year.

So how do you like the 65's drivin' Eldred?

Regards, Rudy
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Tim

Papyrus have shut up shop :(

by Tim » Mon, 10 May 2004 13:02:08

I never understood the need to label the product 'NASCAR' or 'Formula One'.
Certainly not at this point.

I do for off-the-shelf marketing and selling a commercial end product.  But
for multiplayer, where the only long term development ever really survives,
why not just call it what it is ... stock car and open wheel racing, and be
done with all the licensing bs.

OLR grosses 10-15 grand a month off customer fees alone, not to mention what
they get from sponsors.  And I don't see any NASCAR licensing issues coming
their way.

Even if it did, does anyone really care that it says 'NASCAR', or that the
track says 'Lowes'?

If two shmucks can make billions selling add space for a browser (google),
why can't someone make sense of what really drives online sim racing in a
smaller market.

It's not like creating a sim is rocket science at this point.  What's out
there is so hacked, for a starting point anyone interested pretty much would
have, at the least, open source code to look at.  Or an out of work c++
programmer available.  Either way, it's no longer going to cost millions to
develop.

But it sure would get someone paid.

Tim

Goy Larse

Papyrus have shut up shop :(

by Goy Larse » Mon, 10 May 2004 18:16:33




> > > So...can we call you Al?
> > > :-)

> > That one would get my vote for best ever music video.... or at lest for
> > best music video without scantily clad women

> Yeah? I'll take that for what it's worth - a Norwegian's view on pop music
> :-)

> Let me see...A-Ha, one bit of Aqua, and?

Oh the horror.....

Hi Colin :-D

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
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Eldre

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by Eldre » Mon, 10 May 2004 23:37:37


>>>against?  Maybe GPL2 will come back.

>> That would be nice, but I'm not holding my breath.

>With the GPLEA cars, hundreds of tracks and now especially the 65 Mod
>we've already GOT GPL2 (well, maybe GPL 1.9) basically. Chances of a
>Papyrus resurrection are slim indeed, but it's not like nothing new has
>come out last year.

>So how do you like the 65's drivin' Eldred?

I downloaded it, but I haven't tried it yet.

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Pete Panai

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by Pete Panai » Tue, 11 May 2004 14:09:18

Well get crackin' man! You got a little gem there, just unwrap it! (nudge,
nudge, wink wink ;)
Seriously though... It's quite good! A great contrast to the 1967 campaign!

--
Pete Panaia
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fact it's a clean, smooth, progressive performance that supplies the real
speed."
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Joe6

Papyrus have shut up shop :(

by Joe6 » Wed, 12 May 2004 06:54:45

On Sat, 8 May 2004 07:16 +0100 (BST),


>I guess we can finally kiss goodbye even the faintest glimmering of a
>tiny, weeny, nano-hope-ette for GPL2 at some point in the faaaar distant
>future then? :-)

Maybe someone should petition VUG to release the GPL source code to
the public domain as a final Thank You to Papyrus customers. Imagine
what the mod community could do with that...
Joe6

Papyrus have shut up shop :(

by Joe6 » Wed, 12 May 2004 06:56:57

On Sat, 8 May 2004 14:29:17 -0500, Rob Berryhill


>with Dynamix and now with Papyrus. Things always go in cycles, so maybe
>the big corporations with cycle out in a few years and we'll go back to
>some smaller, better development houses making their own decisions
>again.

I think that's quite likely in the long term, as tools improve. Could
be quite a few years though... :-(
JP

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by JP » Wed, 12 May 2004 07:05:47


> On Sat, 8 May 2004 07:16 +0100 (BST),

> >I guess we can finally kiss goodbye even the faintest glimmering of a
> >tiny, weeny, nano-hope-ette for GPL2 at some point in the faaaar distant
> >future then? :-)

> Maybe someone should petition VUG to release the GPL source code to
> the public domain as a final Thank You to Papyrus customers. Imagine
> what the mod community could do with that...

  Since the Nx sims are based on the gpl code, don't count on it, besides
being a niave thought.
Joe6

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by Joe6 » Thu, 13 May 2004 01:55:14


>  Since the Nx sims are based on the gpl code, don't count on it, besides
>being a niave thought.

Why is it naive? It's happened before. And since they're not doing
Nascar anymore...

VUG is giving old games away (Tribes 1 and 2, you can download full
versions from Fileplanet). This isn't much different.


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