rec.autos.simulators

Flip at Martinsville

Jim Sokolo

Flip at Martinsville

by Jim Sokolo » Sun, 12 Jan 1997 04:00:00

On 11 Jan 1997 00:40:00 GMT, "Joshua Walsh"


>   This is my point exactly.....I don't have a web page and alot of people
>don't maintain web pages.  Nor do I have access to
>alt.binaries.autos.simulators on my News Server and I do NOT intend
>changing Internet Service Providers.  Also, if all the anti-binaries people
>don't like it, make a kill-type file.....You can make it so that messages
>over a certain amount of lines will not be viewed.

1) It's alt.binaries.simulators.autos, which might be why you haven't
been able to find it. If your ISP doesn't carry it, and you want it,
ask them for it. (Traffic to that group is quite light, and you are
your ISP's customer; they need to provide you with enough of what you
want, or you do need to change ISPs or live with your current
limitataions...)

2) Does the fact that YOUR ISP doesn't carry a group you want grant
you (figuratively, not necessarily "YOU") the right to spew binary
posts into any old group you feel like? I wouldn't think so, just as
the fact that my house lacks convenient indoor plumbing wouldn't
entitle me to spread my human waste material all over my neighbor's
front yard would it?

3) There is a killbot that auto-cancels binary posts in most
non-binary groups. However, people with offline newsreaders still have
to download it, because it's not (generally) killed in time. Off-line
newsreaders still parse their "kill files" locally, so sure I don't
have to see the post, but I still pay to download it.

4) ISP's planning news server disk allocation should be able to make
certain inode assumptions about discussion newsgroups in setting up.
If people don't bother to follow the generally accepted customs (aka
nettiquette), no one wins.

(Except for those people whose ISP refuses to carry a group that their
customers want, which should be a problem for that customer and that
ISP to work out between themselves, rather than flinging binary posts
willy-nilly to just any old group...)

---Jim Sokoloff, Papyrus, again, speaking totally for myself.

Jeff Vince

Flip at Martinsville

by Jeff Vince » Sun, 12 Jan 1997 04:00:00

On 11 Jan 1997 00:40:00 GMT, "Joshua Walsh"


>   This is my point exactly.....I don't have a web page and alot of people
>don't maintain web pages.  Nor do I have access to
>alt.binaries.autos.simulators on my News Server and I do NOT intend
>changing Internet Service Providers.  Also, if all the anti-binaries people
>don't like it, make a kill-type file.....You can make it so that messages
>over a certain amount of lines will not be viewed.

   Have you *requested* that your ISP carry "alt.binaries.simulators.
autos" (the correct name of the group)?  You can tell them that its a
low-traffic binaries group if they are hesitant.

   Its interesting what you mention about web pages.  Some guy from
Portugal was posting some great pictures of a F86 Sabre jet in the
alt.binaries.models.scale newsgroup.  They were a great resource but
he was only offering them via Usenet.  I thought that they deserved a
more permanent home, more available to everyone, so I have contacted
him and I'll soon have these pictures (3 meg worth) on my web page.
With all of the N2 web pages out there, I find it hard to believe that
*someone* wouldn't offer to host any significant binaries that you
offer them.

   Also, your "solution" doesn't address the problems of potential
discussion bandwidth wasted by binaries in this group on servers
around the world.

   Grumble, grumble...  ;)

   How do you know that the majority of people here (much less the
significant minority sufficient to wreak havoc) *agree* with you on
what a "reasonable" level of binaries is?  Do *you* trust the Putty's
and the Daugherty's and the MillerTime's?  It's ironic that you have
your own (unspecified) threshold at which you'll complain, just like
us grumpy old men. ;)  Why not stick to an established, explicit
standard (*no* binaries in discussion groups)?

   I hope this isn't interpreted that way.


Before you send me UCE, I know what you're thinking...  Did he complain
to five or six postmasters last month?  Now, you must ask yourself one
question: "Do I feel lucky?"  Well, do you, punk?

Mike Radl

Flip at Martinsville

by Mike Radl » Sun, 12 Jan 1997 04:00:00


>2) Does the fact that YOUR ISP doesn't carry a group you want grant
>you (figuratively, not necessarily "YOU") the right to spew binary
>posts into any old group you feel like? I wouldn't think so, just as
>the fact that my house lacks convenient indoor plumbing wouldn't
>entitle me to spread my human waste material all over my neighbor's
>front yard would it?

Hi Jim,
See what happens when you make a crack about plumbers!!!  I hope you get  
things worked out with your neighbor<BG> Sorry, couldn't resist.


(not a plumber)

George Lew

Flip at Martinsville

by George Lew » Mon, 13 Jan 1997 04:00:00

Which means, layed out for the "slow minded", that while you don't
care if binaries show up in here, you might not like it if your ISP
DROPS rec.autos.simulators from their news-server.  hehehehe  talk
about learning the HARD way!




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