rec.autos.simulators

by **K.S. Br?nnic** » Mon, 14 Dec 1998 04:00:00

SNIP

Yes, I agree. GP2 is truly showing it's age now. The game has 2d-physics and
2 and 1/2 d graphics ;-).

Regards K.S. Br?nnick

by **NORDICSK** » Mon, 14 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Interesting to hear everyone touting the".. accurate physics.." of GPL. My
question is simple: how does everyone KNOW how accurate the physics model is?
When is the last time anyone has driven a 1967 F1 car (probably 1967!).
Truth is, driving a racecar is as much " seat of the pants " as anything in
getting feedback as to how it handles. Forgive me, this may be sacrilege, but I
don't think this kind of feedback is present in the game.

I'm not really sure how accurate the physics model is. It certainly may give
the impression that it is accurate. Actually, i think that GP2 might be far
better in simulating the downforce aspects of the modern F1 car. Even so, same
arguement applies: no real idea how accurate it is.

by **John Walla** » Mon, 14 Dec 1998 04:00:00

How do you know that the TV you bought really gives the most accurate
picture? Because of the advertising hype? No, it's because you have a
fair idea how reality should look, and your eyes do the comparison for
you.

You may not be intimately acquainted with the electronics that Sony,
JVC or whoever spent years developing, but you have a pretty good
idea.

Cheers!
John

by **DAVID J ROBINSO** » Mon, 14 Dec 1998 04:00:00

> >>"Interesting" physics? I'd say the most
> >>>accurate to date would be a better description.

> >Interesting to hear everyone touting the".. accurate physics.." of GPL.
My
> >question is simple: how does everyone KNOW how accurate the physics
model is?
> >When is the last time anyone has driven a 1967 F1 car (probably 1967!).
> > Truth is, driving a racecar is as much " seat of the pants " as
anything in
> >getting feedback as to how it handles. Forgive me, this may be
sacrilege, but I
> >don't think this kind of feedback is present in the game.

> >I'm not really sure how accurate the physics model is. It certainly may
give
> >the impression that it is accurate. Actually, i think that GP2 might be
far
> >better in simulating the downforce aspects of the modern F1 car. Even
so, same
> >arguement applies: no real idea how accurate it is.

Actually there are plenly of Vintage F1 cars to sample. Peter Lovely used
to have a Lotus 49 tho it was a 68 wing car. Dan Gurney still has the
Eagle that won Spa in '67. I have driven a Brabham BT 24 in Formula
Atlantic trim, with newer race ***. So if needed if could be sampled
and decided that it is close. The Brabham was not near as hard to drive
with sticky tires and only 240 hp Cosworth BDA.

Dave

by **david kar** » Mon, 14 Dec 1998 04:00:00

>The clutch cable went on my last car (old banger) - knowing nothing about
the
>insides of cars, I called the RAC (UK version of Green Flag) and the man
came
>and couldn't get at it so he said he could tow me home, which was not where
I
>wanted to be. He also told me how to drive without a clutch ("it's a
luxury", he
>explained). I drove for 2 weeks without it shifting when the engine sounded
>right. Starting is the hardest bit - you need a clear road ahead and just
use
>the starter motor to power in up in 1st. Parallel parking is out of the
>question.
>Paul

Yes, I've had that one before. My old 1971 Ford Capri's clutch went south,
got around for a bit w/o it. Didn't use the starter motor to get off the
line tho'--used the GPL way instead (rev it up a bit and force it into gear.
Small chirp from the tires and I was off.)

Then there's the time my throttle cable broke and I had to pass a bit of
twine through the firewall to the throttle levers on the carb. Got home by
pulling the string instead of mashing the pedal . . . . Fun, it was . . .

by **Paul Jone** » Tue, 15 Dec 1998 04:00:00

I agree - this sim is dangerous in the way poker is - I just want to
race it and do nothing else - I hope I find some limitations soon or
else I'm going to have to see an ***ion therapist,
Paul

> No way is GPL overated,it is quite simply the BEST racing simultion
> you can get right now.
> It's the only simulation i have had that has a real possiblity of
> ruining my marrige,as I just can not leave it alone,it just so ***y
> FANTASTIC.

>> Is there anyone else out there who thinks this hype about GPL is
>> overrated?
>> It looks like a good F1 sim, but nothing I'd spend too much time
>> with.

>> jmho

>> ?rjan S.

by **Paul Jone** » Tue, 15 Dec 1998 04:00:00

The clutch cable went on my last car (old banger) - knowing nothing about the
insides of cars, I called the RAC (UK version of Green Flag) and the man came
and couldn't get at it so he said he could tow me home, which was not where I
wanted to be. He also told me how to drive without a clutch ("it's a luxury", he
explained). I drove for 2 weeks without it shifting when the engine sounded
right. Starting is the hardest bit - you need a clear road ahead and just use
the starter motor to power in up in 1st. Parallel parking is out of the
question.
Paul

> >This probably doesent make me a weighty critic, but I hope I'm entitled
> >to think it's overrated anyway :-).

> Absolutely true!

> >I have just spent an hour or so with GPL, but it took me no more than 10
> >seconds to think that the clutch was a plain joke. Unless it's supposed
> >to be semi-automatic..

> Just out of curiosity.... what do you use to "control" the clutch?
> And have you ever tried a car fitted with a race-clutch?
> Well, if you havn't.... please let me try and explain how it works.
> A race-clutch is basicly made for one thing... the start. It's a very
> "on/off" kinda thing, meaning that it wont work like a normal car clutch.
> It's *very* sensitive and made to work at high revs.

> Another thing worth mentioning is that you DON'T use the clutch when you
> shift gears in a *proper* race-car. Real race-cars got un-sycronized
> gearboxes that are fitted with dog-rings and not the usual syncro-rings you
> find in a normal-car. The dog-rings allow the driver to change gears
> *without* using the clutch. The drive only have to lift the throttle a bit
> as he shifts gear. The lifting is done to a: avoid over reving the engine
> and b: aid the dog-rings to "mesh".

> >However, after my first crash, I could still drive without one front wheel.

> Did you watch the RAC rally just a few weeks ago?
> Makinen (sp?) drove his car on three wheels (missing right rear) for a
> pretty good distance... In fact he could have continued thru to the service
> area, had not the police prohibited him from driving on public roads
> (transport stage) with only 3 wheels... :-)

> All the best,
> Edwin Solheim
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by **Al Valenzuel** » Tue, 15 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Well then, we need a qualified someone to go out and drive one of these
vintage cars and spend enough time driving GPL do develope "feel" for
the simulator, and then possibly that person could give us their
evaluation of how accurate the physics are modeled.

Cheers

by **DAVID J ROBINSO** » Wed, 16 Dec 1998 04:00:00

The Brabham BT24 with a cosworth BDA was very smooth to drive, quick to
turn in, and felt it had lots of reserves of power, but I am comparing it
to the old Street Prepard Solo ll car I had at the time I was able to drive
this one. Also a 100hp makes a big difference.

Dave

by **Thomas Enterprise** » Sat, 19 Dec 1998 04:00:00

> >"Interesting" physics? I'd say the most
> >>accurate to date would be a better description.

> Interesting to hear everyone touting the".. accurate physics.." of GPL. My
> question is simple: how does everyone KNOW how accurate the physics model is?

<Snip>

Well you can expect to get toasted over this statement but I for one
tend to agree with you<g>. GPL may be the be all, end all of racing sims
to a lot of people but I can take it or leave it myself. Its fun but
certainly nothing I'd spend months learning how to do well with.

One thing I'm happy about though is that Papyrus is doing N3, N2000 or
whatever it'll be called, this is a sim I am very interested in.

by **DMFin** » Mon, 21 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Wish Papy would do the new Cart sim first there already seems to
be more then enough attention Nascar stuff . Just my $0.02 !

by **Jack** » Thu, 24 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Many of us have driven sports cars and formula cars in competition (not F1,
of course) and comment on GPL's realism based on that experience. Short of
the seat of the pants feel and the consequences of making a serious blunder,
it's incredibly realistic. And as both a mechanical engineer and software
developer, I'm in awe of Papyrus' work. 3D dynamic modeling of 1 GP car is
no small feat, 20 simultaneous cars is mind-boggling. Couple that with
amazing graphics and all I can say is "Papy, you're the king! Thanks for an
incredible ride!"

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