>>When Nascar 2000 comes out
>>(using the same/improved version of the GPL physics model), I may discard
>>GPL altogether - but then again, maybe not...
>This will never happen to me - I tend to fall asleep racing oval
>tracks ;)
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> > Is there anyone else out there who thinks this hype about GPL is
> > overrated?
> > It looks like a good F1 sim, but nothing I'd spend too much time
> > with.
> Would you care to expand on that opinion at all?
> 8-) (just interested in your views)
I'm not an eager fan of ovals and formula cars sims, and it takes alot
to make me really like one.
This probably doesent make me a weighty critic, but I hope I'm entitled
to think it's overrated anyway :-).
Taken the current postings about GPL, there have to be a zillion race
drivers out there. I have never been near a formula 1/2000/3000 racing
car, but apparently there are a lot of people here who know exactly how
a sim like this *should* be.
Sure, say its a cool driving sim - but how many here can really speak of
its realism?
I have just spent an hour or so with GPL, but it took me no more than 10
seconds to think that the clutch was a plain joke. Unless it's supposed
to be semi-automatic..
The graphics are good and same goes for crash realism. However, after my
first crash, I could still drive without one front wheel. I tested
several crashes, and could get away with the most akward damages.
Driving the cars feels very right, as far as I can judge. The closest
I've been to this type of driving experience in real life, have been
driving 125cc Nordic class Go-Carts, which aint much - I know.
To all GPL fans out there; enjoy! I'm not out to take your pleasure
away :-)
Greetings,
?rjan Sandland
...who will enjoy Viper Racing, and street-car sims a bit more than GPL.
> >Nope, why should I :-). GPL aint the only sim around these days.
> Yep. But it is the best!
> Arto
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Just out of curiosity.... what do you use to "control" the clutch?
And have you ever tried a car fitted with a race-clutch?
Well, if you havn't.... please let me try and explain how it works.
A race-clutch is basicly made for one thing... the start. It's a very
"on/off" kinda thing, meaning that it wont work like a normal car clutch.
It's *very* sensitive and made to work at high revs.
Another thing worth mentioning is that you DON'T use the clutch when you
shift gears in a *proper* race-car. Real race-cars got un-sycronized
gearboxes that are fitted with dog-rings and not the usual syncro-rings you
find in a normal-car. The dog-rings allow the driver to change gears
*without* using the clutch. The drive only have to lift the throttle a bit
as he shifts gear. The lifting is done to a: avoid over reving the engine
and b: aid the dog-rings to "mesh".
Did you watch the RAC rally just a few weeks ago?
Makinen (sp?) drove his car on three wheels (missing right rear) for a
pretty good distance... In fact he could have continued thru to the service
area, had not the police prohibited him from driving on public roads
(transport stage) with only 3 wheels... :-)
All the best,
Edwin Solheim
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Just in case... that is sarcasm.
How much time have you spent with GPL? if you haven't taken the time to
learn the tracks, get the feel of the cars and especially to race online
against humans, then you are missing out on a great experience.
There are some other great F1 sims for sure, I personally played GP2 and ICR2
fanatically for years, but nothing before has had the physics model of GPL,
once you get some practice in you can really "feel" the car, and once you do,
it will leave you with an appreciation for what Papyrus has accomplished
with the physics model of GPL.
Going back to sims like F1RS and GP2 after driving GPL extesively really
shows how much simpler their physics model is. No I would not say GPL
is too greatly overrated, sure it has some flaws (lack of easy AI
adjustments etc.) but when you look at it as a whole, there is no other sim
that has made me shout for joy when I have nailed a perfect line on a
difficult corner like Spa's Eau Rouge as a Ferrari driven by a human
driver fills my Eagle's mirrors and I see that my perfect 4 wheel drift and
line up the hill make the Ferrari growl behind me fall away. This physics
model is something to really appreciate.
This doesn't mean that the other sims are not great (I still keep F1RS and
GP2 and even ICR2 on my HD) but that time goes on and simulation technology
really does improve, GPL's physics model is one of these landmarks in sim
technology, much like GP2's brake lockups and good physics model at that time
were revolutionary (except for the canned spins).
You definitely should give it a chance and do spend some time with it,
at least long enough to learn the handling of the cars and especially to
try online racing against humans. You are missing out on a gem of a sim if
you don't.
Seeyas on the track.
--John (Joao) Silva
JMHO
Greg
>jmho
>?rjan S.
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> > >Nope, why should I :-). GPL aint the only sim around these days.
> > Yep. But it is the best!
> > Arto
> Absolutley. With GPL I've had the most exiting races ever experienced -
> and that's just against the AI cars! Just go out and buy it, for Pete's
> sake.
8-)
*Peter* #:-)
> > > Is there anyone else out there who thinks this hype about GPL is
> > > overrated?
> > > It looks like a good F1 sim, but nothing I'd spend too much time
> with.
> > > jmho
> > Well, you could try to post this question in
> rec.autos.soapbox-racing.
> > You'll get a lot of agreeing posts there... ;^)
> > BTW, do you feel lonely in this ng because you don't agree with the
> > majority here?
> Nope, why should I :-). GPL aint the only sim around these days.
> ?rjan
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"Useless Quote"
Matter of fact.. I am thinking of buying copies of it for Christmas for
family members... never can have more fun than whizzing past your family
members in Mexico! :-)
Anything, as long as they stop asking me to race Nascar99..........
(Which way again? Oh yeah.. it's always left.....DuH!)
Tyrone
BTW... CompUSA has it for 29.99 with a purchase-price rebate (if you send in
ANY other racing sim CD). Read that.. now you can get it for free!
>jmho
>?rjan S.
>It *is* that good to some of us. "Interesting" physics? I'd say the most
>accurate to date would be a better description.
>>GP2 is still excellent, but it would be nice to see wheels
>>turning in replays. Both GP2 and GPL need weather changes
>>to add a further challenge that is real in life and existed
>>in World Circuit. Remember that now lowly simulator.
>I don't know if weather changes would be a real benifit to the sim. It
>would simply make an already difficult-to-master sim that much more
>difficult.
>>Seems like most people on rec.autos.simulators have jumped
>>on the GPL band wagon as if the previous ones had little or
>>no merit,
>I don't think anyone is completely dismissing other sims, but GPL is a
>definite step ahead of the rest (that I have used anyway).
>>and one person has even decided what the best simulator will
>>be when it comes out.
>That was probably me - I'm a Nascar fan through and through, but it's
>hard to go back to N2 after driving GPL. When Nascar 2000 comes out
>(using the same/improved version of the GPL physics model), I may discard
>GPL altogether - but then again, maybe not...
>>>Is there anyone else out there who thinks this hype about GPL is
>>>overrated? It looks like a good F1 sim, but nothing I'd spend
>>>too much time with.
