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by **Eldre** » Wed, 02 Aug 2000 04:00:00

Watching the replay of the Hockenheim GP, I had a curious question. What
happens if a few cars qualify, then it rains for the rest of the weekend? If
the remaining cars can't get within 107% because of the rain, what happens?

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by **Bret** » Wed, 02 Aug 2000 04:00:00

The FIA/F1 can let cars out of the 107% into the field if they are deemed
fast enough to make the field. Barichello was never in any trouble,
because the FIA was well aware the Ferrari isn't a backmarker. The rule
was created for teams such as the Lola team in '96. Teams that
consistantly held up everyone else. Besides, we all know the FIA and
Ferrari are in bed together, so they would have never let Rubens miss the
race (this ought to open a can of worms <g>). :)

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by **James Lon** » Wed, 02 Aug 2000 04:00:00

Yes, it was a well choreographed race wasn't it. Schumacher crashes out at
first corner, so they sent some disgruntled ex-employee of Norbert Haug out
on the circuit so slow down the cars and give Barrichello a chance to make
up for lost time and get to the front.

I wonder if Ferrari and the FIA got the Russians to make it rain so that
Barrichello would win - everyone knows that Ferrari are better in the wet
than McLaren.

> The FIA/F1 can let cars out of the 107% into the field if they are deemed
> fast enough to make the field. Barichello was never in any trouble,
> because the FIA was well aware the Ferrari isn't a backmarker. The rule
> was created for teams such as the Lola team in '96. Teams that
> consistantly held up everyone else. Besides, we all know the FIA and
> Ferrari are in bed together, so they would have never let Rubens miss the
> race (this ought to open a can of worms <g>). :)

> --
> -Brett
> Goodbye Greg Moore 1975-1999

> > Watching the replay of the Hockenheim GP, I had a curious question.
What
> > happens if a few cars qualify, then it rains for the rest of the
weekend?
> If
> > the remaining cars can't get within 107% because of the rain, what
> happens?

> > Eldred
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> you
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by **Houndo** » Wed, 02 Aug 2000 04:00:00

The FIA and Ferrari are not just in bed together but i
think they must also be relatives, everytime a decision
is made it favors Ferrari. Everyone knows the McClaren
is a far superior car to the Ferrari, even the Bar and the
Arrows is catching up to the Ferrari.
Steve!

> The FIA/F1 can let cars out of the 107% into the field if they are deemed
> fast enough to make the field. Barichello was never in any trouble,
> because the FIA was well aware the Ferrari isn't a backmarker. The rule
> was created for teams such as the Lola team in '96. Teams that
> consistantly held up everyone else. Besides, we all know the FIA and
> Ferrari are in bed together, so they would have never let Rubens miss the
> race (this ought to open a can of worms <g>). :)

> --
> -Brett
> Goodbye Greg Moore 1975-1999

> > Watching the replay of the Hockenheim GP, I had a curious question.
What
> > happens if a few cars qualify, then it rains for the rest of the
weekend?
> If
> > the remaining cars can't get within 107% because of the rain, what
> happens?

> > Eldred
> > --
> > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999
> > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
> > GPL hcp. +59.33

> > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats
> you
> > with experience...
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by **David Butte** » Wed, 02 Aug 2000 04:00:00

,snip>

Hmm. Sounds like a case for the MJF Posse - followups set to rasf1...
:-)

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by **Jason Mond** » Wed, 02 Aug 2000 04:00:00

Didn't the commentators say, "H.H.Frenzen and Baricello (sp?) would be allowed to
race *if* all other teams said it was ok". The problem is with Maclaren giving
an O.K. to Ferrari :-D

Jason.

> Watching the replay of the Hockenheim GP, I had a curious question. What
> happens if a few cars qualify, then it rains for the rest of the weekend? If
> the remaining cars can't get within 107% because of the rain, what happens?

> Eldred
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by **GraDe** » Wed, 02 Aug 2000 04:00:00

happens?

The official rule is that a car who can't get inside the 107% is not allowed
race but under certain conditions such as sudden rain like in France 99 the
cars will be given an exception.
It was also said by Peter Collins and David Kennedy during qual for
Hockenheim that if Rubens wasn't able to get out and set a time that the FIA
would probably allow him in since he was able to prove that he was on the
pace all weekend.

Of curse it doesn't hurt to be in a top team to get an exception, I doubt
the Arrows and Minardis would have been allowed race in France had Damon
been inside the 107%.

by **Andrew** » Wed, 02 Aug 2000 04:00:00

I've always thought that the 107% rule is more of a throwback to the past
when there were more than 22 cars competing for spots on the grid. It
allowed the race organizers to get rid of the slower cars and keep a wide
open circuit where the hypothetical F1 pass could occur. It seems in recent
times that the 107% rule is never enforced.

by **Eldre** » Thu, 03 Aug 2000 04:00:00

>Didn't the commentators say, "H.H.Frenzen and Baricello (sp?) would be
>allowed to
>race *if* all other teams said it was ok". The problem is with Maclaren
>giving
>an O.K. to Ferrari :-D

I must have missed that part... But, I'd expect the team to say "no" to their
main rival...

Eldred
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by **Richard G Cleg** » Thu, 03 Aug 2000 04:00:00

: I've always thought that the 107% rule is more of a throwback to the past
: when there were more than 22 cars competing for spots on the grid. It
: allowed the race organizers to get rid of the slower cars and keep a wide
: open circuit where the hypothetical F1 pass could occur. It seems in recent
: times that the 107% rule is never enforced.

The 107% rule has been enforced in every season I think. Remember the
107% rule is supposed to be waived when the driver clearly WOULD have
been fast enough if they'd got a decent lap in. It's supposed to
prevent slow drivers from holding up a race - it's not supposed to
exclude people for being unlucky. I.e. you chuck out a minardi who gave
it their best but was too slow but you don't chuck out a McLaren that
didn't happen to get a clear lap while the track was dry. This was
always the intent of the 107 rule.

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by **Toni Lassi** » Thu, 03 Aug 2000 04:00:00

>I've always thought that the 107% rule is more of a throwback to the past
>when there were more than 22 cars competing for spots on the grid. It

Actually, it is a throwback to the past when there were Forti's on the track :)

by **Dave Henri** » Sun, 06 Aug 2000 04:00:00

I think right now the 107 rule is hurting the race action in F1. The
teams concentrate
on acheiving a qualifying time they can get into the race with, but either
ignore
race setup preparation, or have tweeked their chassis so much for the 107%
rule that they just CAN'T run well in race conditions.
Look at JV in "most" of the races. He has qualified quite well sometimes,
within a second or so of the leaders, but then he runs in race trim 5 to 6
seconds slower PER LAP!(i.e. Silverstone) Same goes for the lesser teams.
They get into that 107% window for qualifying, but I'd like to see the
percentage they acheive in race trim. I'm betting it is much worse.
dave henrie

the track :)