rec.autos.simulators

by **ymenar** » Tue, 07 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Sorry but where do you see arms on those screenshots ? :)

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by **John Bodi** » Tue, 07 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Look closely -- the arms and hands are there already. I pray they allow you
to toggle this option off (as well as the moving wheel, too).

-- JB

> two thoughts:
>1: The West McLaren was on display, but he screen shots only show
>Marlboro Ferrari's. (wonder how the West folks feel about that)
>2: Oh my Gawd...GP2ers are gonna have a heart attack. did you see it?
>it's in there. A freekin' steering wheel! next they'll be adding arms
>and legs (imagine watching the legs dance while
>shifing/accelerating/braking)
>dave henrie

>> Someone here came up with the statement that it looks like GP2 with
>> just a different engine. Just from the screenshots alone I'd say it
>> looks a lot better actually - software rendering or not. I just hope
>> they really do something on the engine itself, the 3D graphics part
>> seems to be fine already.:)
>> http://home.planetinternet.be/~bosman/gp3a.jpg
>> http://home.planetinternet.be/~bosman/gp3b.jpg
>> http://home.planetinternet.be/~bosman/gp3c.jpg

>> --Tel

by **Jon Van Ginneke** » Wed, 08 Sep 1999 04:00:00

> > No, no, no! Get your arms out of my***pit (and the virtual steering
> > wheel, too) -- I already have arms (and a wheel) of my own, right in
front
> > of me!

> Sorry but where do you see arms on those screenshots ? :)

Stop being observant Frank. :-)
I like to see it when he gets rid of his steering wheel too...."Where's my
telemetry?!?!?!?!"

________________________________________________
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"Serious sport has nothing to do with fair play. It is bound up
with hatred, jealousy, boastfulness, disregard of all rules, and
***ic pleasure in witnessing ***: in other words it is
war minus the shooting."

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by **ymenar** » Wed, 08 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Another time.... I see no arms and hands in those pictures !!!!!

All I see is a dark grey normal padding you have where the hands should be,
with the holes in them (you see the silver paddles there also). If you saw
hands and arms, it would actually take a lot of space, especially in the
gp3c picture, since the right hand would be hiding part of the wheel ;-)

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-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...

"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

by **John Bodi** » Wed, 08 Sep 1999 04:00:00

It's not a very good picture, but aren't those arms that I see attached to
the hands on the wheel, or am I seeing the side rails of the***pit and
mistaking that for arms?

Oops -- waitaminit . . . I just checked the screen shots again, and it
appears that I AM mistaken. What I thought were "hands" is actually the
grip section of the wheel (looked like a black-gloved hand ON the wheel to
me at first glance) -- and I mistook the side of the***pit on the right
(the part with the red "N" in the white circle) to be part of a driving suit
sleeve (with an arm inside, of course).

Sorry 'bout that -- looks like I was VERY wrong.

Now, make that wheel stand still -- I don't want my CPU spending precious
cycles painting sideways numerals when there's serious physics to be
modelled!

;-)

-- JB

>> > No, no, no! Get your arms out of my***pit (and the virtual steering
>> > wheel, too) -- I already have arms (and a wheel) of my own, right in
>front
>> > of me!

>> Sorry but where do you see arms on those screenshots ? :)

>Stop being observant Frank. :-)
>I like to see it when he gets rid of his steering wheel too...."Where's my
>telemetry?!?!?!?!"

>________________________________________________
>Jon Van Ginneken

>"Serious sport has nothing to do with fair play. It is bound up
>with hatred, jealousy, boastfulness, disregard of all rules, and
>***ic pleasure in witnessing ***: in other words it is
>war minus the shooting."

> --Georg
e
>Orwell

by **Meij** » Wed, 08 Sep 1999 04:00:00

No need for the apology. Look at the first screenshot and at how sharp
the corner of the building is. Adding an extra poly to the model wouldn't
increase the overhead by anything noticable and the starting grid is the
place you spend longest looking at the scenery so IMO it should be more
detailled than the rest of the track and certainly more detailled than it
is. Those models looked like GP2 with some new textures.

Incidentally... I'm not commenting on the playability/speed of engine etc
here but I expected more from the gfx engine.

M

by **Meij** » Wed, 08 Sep 1999 04:00:00

You're looking at the wrong pr0n then.

M

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by **Jan Hoviu** » Wed, 08 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Never tried GPL did you? Once you're used to the wheels and steering wheel
it's very hard to step back to sims who don't have it included. It really adds
to realism.

> JoH

> Anyone a towel? (I'm drooling all over the place <G>)

> >Someone here came up with the statement that it looks like GP2 with
> >just a different engine. Just from the screenshots alone I'd say it
> >looks a lot better actually - software rendering or not. I just hope
> >they really do something on the engine itself, the 3D graphics part
> >seems to be fine already.:)
> >http://home.planetinternet.be/~bosman/gp3a.jpg
> >http://home.planetinternet.be/~bosman/gp3b.jpg
> >http://home.planetinternet.be/~bosman/gp3c.jpg

> >--Tel

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by **Jan Hoviu** » Wed, 08 Sep 1999 04:00:00

> No need for the apology. Look at the first screenshot and at how sharp
> the corner of the building is. Adding an extra poly to the model wouldn't
> increase the overhead by anything noticable and the starting grid is the
> place you spend longest looking at the scenery so IMO it should be more
> detailled than the rest of the track and certainly more detailled than it
> is. Those models looked like GP2 with some new textures.

> Incidentally... I'm not commenting on the playability/speed of engine etc
> here but I expected more from the gfx engine.

> M

Maybe I got problems with my eyes or we are looking at different shots but I
really don't get your point. In fact it all looks very smooth (especially when
you consider this to be the software-rendered version) to me. Look at the
curvature of the front wheels, pretty cool IMO.

BTW: I simply can't imagine that GP3 won't support 3D acc. cards, they would
be very stupid IMHO.

Jan.

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by **Remco Moe** » Wed, 08 Sep 1999 04:00:00

>2: Oh my Gawd...GP2ers are gonna have a heart attack. did you see it?
>it's in there. A freekin' steering wheel!

In modern F1 a lot of information is displayed on the steering wheel,
like the LEDs representing the revs. How would you provide this
information to the player if you were Geoff?

Remco

by **Oliver Robert** » Wed, 08 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Duh! The McLaren car was on display on a different stand - I can't
remember the company (although they make steering wheels, or something).
MicroProse/Hasbro had no F1 cars on display.

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by **Ian** » Wed, 08 Sep 1999 04:00:00

I want the moving steering wheel too, as well as road wheels that actually
turn at the speed the car is travelling or slower when they start to lock up
!!
Just like GPL :)

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UKGPL League
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> > This doesn't look bad for SOFTWARE!! Looks more like TV coverage to
> > me!!!

> > Just don't understand why the wheels are included this time (never was
> > any need for that). Not sure that I'll like the turning wheel, either.
> > Hope I'll get used to those two changes.

> Never tried GPL did you? Once you're used to the wheels and steering wheel
> it's very hard to step back to sims who don't have it included. It really
adds
> to realism.

by **Kulvinder Singh Mathar** » Wed, 08 Sep 1999 04:00:00

On 07 Sep 99 16:54:41 +0100, "Oliver Roberts"

>> two thoughts:
>> 1: The West McLaren was on display, but he screen shots only show
>> Marlboro Ferrari's. (wonder how the West folks feel about that)

>Duh! The McLaren car was on display on a different stand - I can't
>remember the company (although they make steering wheels, or something).
>MicroProse/Hasbro had no F1 cars on display.

[snip]

That's correct. The McLaren mock-up was for the McLaren racing wheel
called "Double Tremor" I think. They had them linked to Playstations
but the blurb says that they're also for the PC. The wheels are
distributed by Sony and the RRP is GBP 119.90 which sounds too ***y
expensive. Also note that there was a Jordan car there as well at the
Jordan racing wheel stand (for Nintendo and Playstation).

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Website: http://www.racesimcentral.net/
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by **Michael La** » Wed, 08 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Hi,
There are six GP3 screenshots up at my site
Here is the direct link:
http://www.formula1hq.swinternet.co.uk/news.html#8/9/99
Sorry to be short,
Michael

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by **John Bodi** » Wed, 08 Sep 1999 04:00:00

If it really adds realism, then explain to me why I always keep the
wheel/arms turned off when playing GPL?

-- JB

>> This doesn't look bad for SOFTWARE!! Looks more like TV coverage to
>> me!!!

>> Just don't understand why the wheels are included this time (never was
>> any need for that). Not sure that I'll like the turning wheel, either.
>> Hope I'll get used to those two changes.

>Never tried GPL did you? Once you're used to the wheels and steering wheel
>it's very hard to step back to sims who don't have it included. It really
adds
>to realism.

>> JoH

>> Anyone a towel? (I'm drooling all over the place <G>)

>> >Someone here came up with the statement that it looks like GP2 with
>> >just a different engine. Just from the screenshots alone I'd say it
>> >looks a lot better actually - software rendering or not. I just hope
>> >they really do something on the engine itself, the 3D graphics part
>> >seems to be fine already.:)
>> >http://home.planetinternet.be/~bosman/gp3a.jpg
>> >http://home.planetinternet.be/~bosman/gp3b.jpg
>> >http://home.planetinternet.be/~bosman/gp3c.jpg

>> >--Tel

>> ========================================
>> Jo Helsen EDP Operations BF Belgium

>> ========================================