rec.autos.simulators

"After 9 years, 1 month, and 11 days, we had finally had enough.
Sometimes you just have to say "that's it!" We did. We decided we were
going to put up with it no more. The file areas, the archives, the
tools, the forums...gone. And 90% of it will not return. Ever. Period.

Why? We finally grew too tired of the ***ing, whining, complaining,
bashing, and so on. We work for free here. We do this because we like
to. We want to enjoy editing and racing, and when ingrates and
crybabies start their incessant griping, it gets very aggravating. We
get to where we don't enjoy this and it becomes a tedious job.

For those of you who have been great members of the sim racing
community...we apologise that we've decided to take this action.
However, all is not lost. Many of the editors and league admins will
not lose our support. We are not just going to take our toys and go
home. Over the next few weeks, we'll be bringing some stuff back
online, and the tutorials will remain up. We will put our N2003 mods
back online for racing leagues, the Ferrari 330 mod will also be
reposted.

But our focus on N2003 is gone, and will not return. We have a few
things that are still being worked on that will probably be posted, but
that will be about it. When we fully reopen down the line, it will be a
very streamlined editing-only US Pits that you see, and with tools and
toys for a much different mod...
Cheers!
_________________
?? jan kohl ?? "

That is a terrible terrible shame.  If there was some way to
send some funding their way, I'd do it, but it's too late I
suppose.  Too bad there are some people who when they
don't get things exactly their way, whine and *** and
write inflammatory posts, and they now have ended up
ruining it all for the rest of us.  With RSC in limbo the
race sim community looks to be flying apart at the seams,
fracturing into a multitude of small web sites and BBSes,
which will just make it harder for people to find info or
just hang out.

I can only hope someone comes forward to fill this huge
void.

       John DiFool

Quoted from their website forum:

"After 9 years, 1 month, and 11 days, we had finally had enough.
Sometimes you just have to say "that's it!" We did. We decided we were
going to put up with it no more. The file areas, the archives, the
tools, the forums...gone. And 90% of it will not return. Ever. Period.

Why? We finally grew too tired of the ***ing, whining, complaining,
bashing, and so on. We work for free here. We do this because we like
to. We want to enjoy editing and racing, and when ingrates and
crybabies start their incessant griping, it gets very aggravating. We
get to where we don't enjoy this and it becomes a tedious job.

For those of you who have been great members of the sim racing
community...we apologise that we've decided to take this action.
However, all is not lost. Many of the editors and league admins will
not lose our support. We are not just going to take our toys and go
home. Over the next few weeks, we'll be bringing some stuff back
online, and the tutorials will remain up. We will put our N2003 mods
back online for racing leagues, the Ferrari 330 mod will also be
reposted.

But our focus on N2003 is gone, and will not return. We have a few
things that are still being worked on that will probably be posted, but
that will be about it. When we fully reopen down the line, it will be a
very streamlined editing-only US Pits that you see, and with tools and
toys for a much different mod...
Cheers!
_________________
?? jan kohl ?? "

  That is bad news.  What was all the ***ing about ?

Hey Jan, if you're reading this, I noticed I had a new PM, but I can't
read it because you disbaled PMs. :)

Send me an email if you're up for it.

Quoted from their website forum:

But our focus on N2003 is gone, and will not return. We have a few
things that are still being worked on that will probably be posted, but
that will be about it. When we fully reopen down the line, it will be a
very streamlined editing-only US Pits that you see, and with tools and
toys for a much different mod...
Cheers!
_________________
?? jan kohl ?? "

From this, and what I've read elsewhere, I believe they are going to move to
rFactor. Can anyone confirm this?
--
David G Fisher

Quoted from their website forum:

"After 9 years, 1 month, and 11 days, we had finally had enough.
Sometimes you just have to say "that's it!" We did. We decided we were
going to put up with it no more. The file areas, the archives, the
tools, the forums...gone. And 90% of it will not return. Ever. Period.

(snip)
_________________
?? jan kohl ?? "

Sigh. Such a shame really though I can easily understand their action. Why
put up with all the ***from the mouthier parts of the community when
you're not getting paid to do so. Hopefully all the complainers will rush
right in with their websites (hah!) to take up the load

A big old thank you to all the PitPersons

David

   Buster, since you are standing behind your real name, I respect your
proclomation.  You sir, the well known buster, have contributed time money
expertise in great gobs.  and surely you have given more to the sim
community than Jan and his family and friends.  Surely you MUST HAVE...

  I'd like to thank you buster.  Yes I'd like to thank you for making the
first PLONK of 2005 such a simple decision.  Goodbye.

Dave Henrie
(note the caps)

   Rfactor or First....and where did PWF finally land?

dh

Excuse me for being dense, but if you own the website, the mods and the
forum, why do you put up with whining and ***ing in the first place? -If I
had a site like that, things would be run as I saw fit and that would be
that. And, should one come to a point where one's exhausted reasonable
argument and the other party simply doesn't want to give it a rest, one
simply bans him/her from the forum. Just about the only advantage of forums
over usenet I can think of.

I hardly ever used "The Pits" (basically just to get the PWF stuff after
they folded), so I'm not being put out by this situation, but I'm
dissapointed Jan & Co didn't crush these bad apples instead of folding.

Jan.
=---

    Well, the error msg implies they will be up as soon as they can.  Did
they suffer a catastrophic data loss or what?

rms

Having used their site from pretty much the day after I got the internet and
doing a search for N1 files I can honestly say I'm going to miss them
greatly and I also wish them luck in their re-incarnation.

This is so sad to see....a great community and great website is now
gone, and the people to blame are the idiots within our own community.
It was ashame, and the days were being counted on the wall, when
people posted and said, "Hey, I'm building a new mod, don't have a
release date, it is just in the works."  Immediately following this
post in the USPITS and else where would be posts similiar to this,
"Cool man, when will it be released?"  These posts would pile up for
weeks and months, and the people actually making the mod's would get
disgusted, can you blame them?  Jan, and everyone else, I for one hate
to see you go, your site had more resources by far than any other, but
we have only the idiots in our community to blame, and frankly Jan, I
can't blame.  I do believe you deserve the biggest pat on the back
though, for keeping up with the site all these years, and providing us
with more resources than we could ever wish for!  We in this community
just need to have more patience, and learn to wait, because as most
have figured out, it is well worth it.  

Mike Horton
GSCL League Admin
http://www.racesimcentral.net/

    Sounds to me like someone needed a holiday and probably should have
taken one first, re-assessed the situation and made a decision then. The
U.S. Pits has been around ever since I began simming back in 1996/97 and
it's a real shame if it ceases to be completely. Hopefully Jan and co will
indeed have a break now and come back with new enthusiasm that will outweigh
their present focus on the negative. Maybe they should go commercial?

    I'd like a bit more info on exactly what issues are being spoken of
here. I doubt it's particularly relevent though. Like I said, sounds like
someone needs a good break! :)