rec.autos.simulators

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ymenar

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by ymenar » Tue, 18 May 2004 04:38:15

Fun :

http://www.racesimcentral.net/

Check out the peak circa summer of 2000.  Just before the proliferation of
web-boards.

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Stephen F

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by Stephen F » Tue, 18 May 2004 19:10:15


Same problems as ever.  In Dec 1993 I was complaining about framerate
problems with ICR2, bemoaning the artificial steering help in World Circuit,
and starting to solder together my own wheel because nothing decent existed
on the market...

Stephen

Jay

"History" of rec.autos.simulators from Google

by Jay » Tue, 18 May 2004 20:23:52

1993 ?!?

ICR2 didn't come out until 1995, and GP2 in 1996.

I recall getting my first Pentium based PC, a 133mhz cutting edge  "monster"
that cost $5,000 US as a Christmas present to myself at the end of 1995, and
buying a Thrustmaster T2 wheel and those two games.

It was a few months after that, sometime in early 1996 that I first came
upon this newsgroup.




> > Fun :

> > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.autos.simulators/about

> > Check out the peak circa summer of 2000.  Just before the proliferation
of
> > web-boards.

> Same problems as ever.  In Dec 1993 I was complaining about framerate
> problems with ICR2, bemoaning the artificial steering help in World
Circuit,
> and starting to solder together my own wheel because nothing decent
existed
> on the market...

> Stephen

John DiFoo

"History" of rec.autos.simulators from Google

by John DiFoo » Tue, 18 May 2004 23:03:45

On Sun, 16 May 2004 15:38:15 -0400, "ymenard"


>Fun :

>http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.autos.simulators/about

>Check out the peak circa summer of 2000.  Just before the proliferation of
>web-boards.

Amazing.  What happened in the summer of 2000 to cause 12,000
posts a month?  Now we get about 1/4 of the posts we averaged
back then (~6000 in more normal months vs. 1500 now).

I'm going to check out how some of the other groupsI frequent
have done over the years...

           John DiFool

Mitch_

"History" of rec.autos.simulators from Google

by Mitch_ » Wed, 19 May 2004 01:10:55

RAS didnt exist in 93.  In fact ICR1 was in beta at the end of 93' so I
doubt you were running ICR2 quite yet :)

This could have happened in late 95 though.

Mitch


Race15

"History" of rec.autos.simulators from Google

by Race15 » Wed, 19 May 2004 06:02:36

posts a month?  Now we get about 1/4 of the posts we averaged
back then (~6000 in more normal months vs. 1500 now).<<

Just a guess, but wasn't that about the time that the West Brothers first came
to the forefront?

Mike

Kendt Eklu

"History" of rec.autos.simulators from Google

by Kendt Eklu » Wed, 19 May 2004 11:06:09


> On Sun, 16 May 2004 15:38:15 -0400, "ymenard"

> >Fun :

> >http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.autos.simulators/about

> >Check out the peak circa summer of 2000.  Just before the proliferation of
> >web-boards.

> Amazing.  What happened in the summer of 2000 to cause 12,000
> posts a month?  Now we get about 1/4 of the posts we averaged
> back then (~6000 in more normal months vs. 1500 now).

> I'm going to check out how some of the other groupsI frequent
> have done over the years...

>            John DiFool

Perusing the samples, it looks like there were a number of
controversies at full boil - GP3 against the upstart F1-2000, NH
against Nascar4, and GPLRank had started and GPL was gaining interest
(I think the first GPL graphics improvements were coming out then
too).

Kendt

ymenar

"History" of rec.autos.simulators from Google

by ymenar » Wed, 19 May 2004 13:07:09


> Amazing.  What happened in the summer of 2000 to cause 12,000
> posts a month?  Now we get about 1/4 of the posts we averaged
> back then (~6000 in more normal months vs. 1500 now).

Like I wrote, it's simply the normal Internet growth, before the appearence
of web boards.  When they appeared (about around that time in 2000-01), most
NG on the Usenet starts to go downwards in # of posts.

Soccer moms at home, brat kids on their college PC, they all prefer web
boards and their cheesiness.

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Stephen Ferguso

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by Stephen Ferguso » Wed, 19 May 2004 15:22:25


Of course I meant ICR1.  In December 1993, GP1 (World Circuit) and ICR1 were
very much a topic in the newly-formed newsgroup.  I remember transferring my
GP1 discussions from r.a.s.f1 over to the new hangout...

Stephen





> > > Fun :

> > > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.autos.simulators/about

> > > Check out the peak circa summer of 2000.  Just before the
proliferation
> of
> > > web-boards.

> > Same problems as ever.  In Dec 1993 I was complaining about framerate
> > problems with ICR2, bemoaning the artificial steering help in World
> Circuit,
> > and starting to solder together my own wheel because nothing decent
> existed
> > on the market...

> > Stephen

Stephen Ferguso

"History" of rec.autos.simulators from Google

by Stephen Ferguso » Wed, 19 May 2004 15:23:54


My typo.  I meant ICR1, and it was definitely commercial in late '93 (as was
GP1).

Stephen

p.s. (r.a.s. was formed in December 1993, and I moved there from r.a.s.f1 to
chat about GP1)

Byron Forbe

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by Byron Forbe » Wed, 19 May 2004 20:26:59

    Speaking of the history of this joint, I hung out here a lot back in the
late 90s. The most controversial period I remember was upon the release of
Cart Precision (man, that word still makes me laugh) Racing. (LOL-makes me
laugh just thinking about it). Talk about shit hitting the fan! Never has so
much hype been about a sim that turned out to be alpha rubbish!

    It was this event that got simmers to be extremely pessimistic about all
sim releases since - and normally for good reason. So many expected so much.
Some were convinced - some were outraged that some were convinced. Shit was
flying in all directions, threats of legal action (slander) and generally
the internets version of a WWF Smackdown! Good stuff!

    Can any of the regs point to a more stirring time? Probably the release
of GPL was the exact opposite.


> On Sun, 16 May 2004 15:38:15 -0400, "ymenard"

> >Fun :

> >http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.autos.simulators/about

> >Check out the peak circa summer of 2000.  Just before the proliferation
of
> >web-boards.

> Amazing.  What happened in the summer of 2000 to cause 12,000
> posts a month?  Now we get about 1/4 of the posts we averaged
> back then (~6000 in more normal months vs. 1500 now).

> I'm going to check out how some of the other groupsI frequent
> have done over the years...

>            John DiFool

Olav Malmi

"History" of rec.autos.simulators from Google

by Olav Malmi » Wed, 19 May 2004 20:58:40


>     Speaking of the history of this joint, I hung out here a lot back in the
> late 90s. The most controversial period I remember was upon the release of
> Cart Precision (man, that word still makes me laugh) Racing. (LOL-makes me
> laugh just thinking about it). Talk about shit hitting the fan! Never has so
> much hype been about a sim that turned out to be alpha rubbish!

>     It was this event that got simmers to be extremely pessimistic about all
> sim releases since - and normally for good reason. So many expected so much.
> Some were convinced - some were outraged that some were convinced. Shit was
> flying in all directions, threats of legal action (slander) and generally
> the internets version of a WWF Smackdown! Good stuff!

>     Can any of the regs point to a more stirring time? Probably the release
> of GPL was the exact opposite.

Or the release of Brands Hatch for GPL, the first addon track.

That CART Precision Racing incident was really something indeed. It
was also probably the last time any developers were posting to this
newsgroup. That game was a total waste of a good CART licence, but it
had the first (and only I think) attempt to make a race engineer into
the game. It's too bad that you have to be a setup guru to go really
fast. No professional racing driver has to go through that.

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Larr

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by Larr » Thu, 20 May 2004 01:37:47

I think 2/3'rds of them simply state "It ain't no GPL".

That may have also been that dreadful period where MHO *** was down.

:)

-Larry

ymenar

"History" of rec.autos.simulators from Google

by ymenar » Thu, 20 May 2004 01:35:38


>     Speaking of the history of this joint, I hung out here a lot back in
the
> late 90s. The most controversial period I remember was upon the release of
> Cart Precision (man, that word still makes me laugh) Racing. (LOL-makes me
> laugh just thinking about it). Talk about shit hitting the fan! Never has
so
> much hype been about a sim that turned out to be alpha rubbish!

You always knew that when either of those two Microsoft guys posted in a
thread, it would be entertaining.

<no comments>  ;-D

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Tony Rickar

"History" of rec.autos.simulators from Google

by Tony Rickar » Thu, 20 May 2004 03:18:12


> That CART Precision Racing incident was really something indeed. It
> was also probably the last time any developers were posting to this
> newsgroup.

Randy Cassidy posted a fair bit after that, plus more recently Ilari
Lehtinen from Bugbear.

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