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Saitek R4 force feedback and other FF wheels

Bj.O.r

Saitek R4 force feedback and other FF wheels

by Bj.O.r » Sat, 21 Aug 1999 04:00:00

I have a Saitek R4FF, pretty good once you have adapted yourself to the
"short" brake pedal. I really like the choice this wheel have to use paddle
shifters or stick. But with FF in GPL nowadays I cannot afford to drive
singlehanded as required to use the stickshifter.... The paddles are very
nicely positioned too...

As for pedals on split axis, I think most FF wheels support that, I know the
sidewinder does, it's just not so obvious (hidden deep in some kind of
"profiler" whatever that is....)

In short, I like it... I like it even more since GPL 1.1, thanks Papyrus!!!

/Bj.O.rn

Aubre

Saitek R4 force feedback and other FF wheels

by Aubre » Sat, 21 Aug 1999 04:00:00

I just got a Saitek R4 FF myself.  It looks VERY sturdy.  The wheel is
extremely smooth, although I haven't been too impressed with GPL's FF
effects.  When you try to apply opposite-lock the wheel "fights" you, and
makes you crash more easily.  Other effects are nice though.  That said, it
uses Microsoft's FF technology, not Logitech's.  Maybe Logitech's is better?
Anyone out there who can compare the two?

The adjustable tension in the pedals is nothing but a gimmick, since I can't
imagine anyone using anything but full tension.  Brake pedal is too weak.
The accelerator pedal is just fine, though.  And if you stick a raquetball
behind the brake pedal and duct-tape it to the base, it feels awesome!  It
sounds cheezy, but I've been using the raquetball for a week, and it shows
no signs of coming loose.  I also have to add that the pots in the pedals
are as smooth as can be, which is the most important thing.

The base will slide around a bit.  I recommend getting a heavy board and
duct taping it to it.  God I love duct tape!

Buttons and shifter knob are just fine, and it has those cool f1 style
paddles.  Unfortunately, the paddles seem to be designed for a child, or
someone with extremely short fingers, but once you get used them you won't
keep getting your fingers caught in them.

On the whole, a little disappointing, but I'm content with it, and I think
I'll get lots and lots of use out of it.  I also have to add, that I don't
know of any other wheels that don't suffer from many of the same problems I
mentioned.  I'm sorry, but I have no idea what I-force is.


>    Does any one have one of these Saitek R4 force feedback wheels or
>heard good or bad things about it?  I believe this wheel does not use
>I-force , it this a bad thing?
>One thing it does have going for it is that it can have dual axis
>accelerator and brake, and adjustable tension on brake and accelerator.

>    I have just decided to get a new wheel as my Trusty Thrusty T1 is
>getting more than just a bit old now, and has had too many repairs and
>mods done to it to be reliable any more.

>    Also could someone point me in the direction of other good FF wheels
>with dual axis pedals so i can read reviews and try out at the local
>Games Store.

>Thanks in advance
>Jeff Male

porsch..

Saitek R4 force feedback and other FF wheels

by porsch.. » Sat, 21 Aug 1999 04:00:00



I have one too, I like it, but sturdy is not what comes to mind !

I already broke the accelerator pedal spring (had them send me a new
one), and the "tool" is stripped (no allen wrench I own seems to match
their thread anyway), and it seems to me the center point is not as
tight (sloppy wheel centering). But  as far as FF goes, it's pretty
cool and the paddles are nice !

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Mauritz Lindqvis

Saitek R4 force feedback and other FF wheels

by Mauritz Lindqvis » Sat, 21 Aug 1999 04:00:00

Here is a review comparing three different FF wheels.

http://www.gamersdepot.com/rev-force-wheel.htm

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Jeff Mal

Saitek R4 force feedback and other FF wheels

by Jeff Mal » Sun, 22 Aug 1999 04:00:00

    Does any one have one of these Saitek R4 force feedback wheels or
heard good or bad things about it?  I believe this wheel does not use
I-force , it this a bad thing?
One thing it does have going for it is that it can have dual axis
accelerator and brake, and adjustable tension on brake and accelerator.

    I have just decided to get a new wheel as my Trusty Thrusty T1 is
getting more than just a bit old now, and has had too many repairs and
mods done to it to be reliable any more.

    Also could someone point me in the direction of other good FF wheels
with dual axis pedals so i can read reviews and try out at the local
Games Store.

Thanks in advance
Jeff Male

John Bodi

Saitek R4 force feedback and other FF wheels

by John Bodi » Sun, 22 Aug 1999 04:00:00

I have one -- check out my review:

http://irlinsider.adnetweb.com/sims/saitek/

A pretty decent wheel, IMO.  I'm still not a full convert regarding Force
Feedback, but that's no fault of the Saitek wheel.  FF effects in Viper
Racing are great (haven't tried GPL with FF yet), but FF still seems like
more of a distraction to me.  Then again, maybe it's just that I love my
TSW2 too much . . .  <G>

Enjoy!

-- JB


>    Does any one have one of these Saitek R4 force feedback wheels or
>heard good or bad things about it?  I believe this wheel does not use
>I-force , it this a bad thing?
>One thing it does have going for it is that it can have dual axis
>accelerator and brake, and adjustable tension on brake and accelerator.

>    I have just decided to get a new wheel as my Trusty Thrusty T1 is
>getting more than just a bit old now, and has had too many repairs and
>mods done to it to be reliable any more.

>    Also could someone point me in the direction of other good FF wheels
>with dual axis pedals so i can read reviews and try out at the local
>Games Store.

>Thanks in advance
>Jeff Male

John Bodi

Saitek R4 force feedback and other FF wheels

by John Bodi » Sun, 22 Aug 1999 04:00:00




>> I just got a Saitek R4 FF myself.  It looks VERY sturdy

>I have one too, I like it, but sturdy is not what comes to mind !

>I already broke the accelerator pedal spring (had them send me a new
>one), and the "tool" is stripped (no allen wrench I own seems to match
>their thread anyway),

FWIW, the "tool" is a metric size, not a standard SAE size hex tool.  Can't
remember WHICH metric size, though, but when I went to my metric hex
drivers, I found one that fit.

-- JB

Wingm

Saitek R4 force feedback and other FF wheels

by Wingm » Mon, 23 Aug 1999 04:00:00


        >

What do you use in your core.ini and control panel for forcefeed back settings?
 I can't seem to "feel" the road or the vibration of the engine in mine.  
Another thing I've noticed is that the feedback tensions drops off when I have
the wheel turned past 50 degress left or right of center.

Thanks...

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Bj.O.r

Saitek R4 force feedback and other FF wheels

by Bj.O.r » Mon, 23 Aug 1999 04:00:00

Theese are the settings I'm currently using

[ Joy ]
allow_force_feedback = 1                         ; Use FF if device has it
force_feedback_damping = 60.000000       ; force feedback damping
coefficient
force_feedback_latency = 0.06500                ; force feedback latency
(secs)
max_steering_torque = 275.000000                ; steering torque in N*in
giving max device force

I never felt any engine vibes in GPL either... Is it used in GPL FF?

In control panel i have "force gain" set to full and "return to center
spring set to zero. "map X to Y" is unchecked and "separate axis" is
checked...

/Bj.O.rn


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