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   | Subject: INDYCAR and WIN95 HELP!!!!!    
   |  
   | l indycar seems not to be able to detect that the modem is there  
   | Has anybody else got INDYCAR and win95 to work over the modem if
   | l you settings and what modem you have!!!
   |
   | Cheers
   | Tommy
   |
   | so can you tell me how
   | l I am having modem problems
   |  I cannot get Indycar to run under Win95
   |
       ICR2 should be run in DOS mode.  A Win95 version will be out later
this year.
Dave Henrie

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For anyone that is having trouble running DOS games under Win95..read
on!  Regardless of what Microsoft tells you, DOS based games are
happiest when run under DOS...end of story.  If you want a sure-fire,
guaranteed way of playing your games the way they were designed, just do
the following:

1)      Find the file MSDOS.SYS on your boot drive (usually C:).  You'll
        have to turn off the hidden, system, and read-only attributes
        for the file.  You can do this by changing the properties of
        the file in Explorer.  Then make a copy of the file for        
        posterity (and peace of mind).  Call it MSDOS.BK or something.

2)      Edit the original file using WordPad or the editor of your      
        choice.

3)      Make it look like this (before the part that says "The following
        lines are required...").  The arrowed part on the right is my      
        comments on each line...delete my comments.
Start
-------------------------------
[Paths]
WinDir=C:\WIN95       <=these 3 lines you can leave alone
WinBootDir=C:\WIN95       "   "   "     "  "    "     "
HostWinBootDrv=C          "   "   "     "  "    "     "

[Options]
BootMenu=1            <=this turns on a Boot Manager Menu
BootMe***fault=1     <=this sets the default to WIN95
BootMe***lay=5       <=after 5 seconds, boot the default
BootMulti=1           <=enables multisystem booting
BootGUI=1             <=set to zero to boot to a WIN95 C: prompt
Network=1             <=you figure it out... :)
;
-------------------------------
End
NOTE THAT REPLACING THE "1" WITH "0" DISABLES ANY OPTIONS
-------------------------------

4)      Re-install DOS 6.x (or PC-DOS 7) into the C:\DOS directory.  A  
        wise move would have been to Zip your DOS directory before      
        installing '95, in which case you could just unzip it, but if  
        you didn't, re-install it.  Win95 install deletes and modifies
        some files, so you'll need to reinstall.  If you have a copy of
        your original DOS intact, it's easier to copy them back in than
        to reinstall.

5)      After re-installing, check that MSDOS.SYS is still the same.  If
        not, put the above back.

Now when you fire up your PC, you'll have a menu of choices before Win95
starts.  On my system, item 8 is "Boot to previous operating system",
which was DOS 6.2.

DISCLAIMER:  This worked fine on my machine, but don't hold me
responsible for damages... :)  

Good luck and happy racing!

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Neil Yeatman, Ajax, Ontario, CANADA
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On Fri, 12 Jan 1996 20:03:40 -0500, Neil Yeatman

Yeah, and you can use MS-DOS mode by clicking on the advanced button
in the program's properties sheet. A much better way to do this
because you can have a specific Config.sys and Autoexec.bat.

No offense, but if you want to do the other way you might as well
reload DOS 6.22.

Let go of the past :)

Mike

: No offense, but if you want to do the other way you might as well
: reload DOS 6.22.

: Let go of the past :)

: Mike

I have my system set up as a dual-boot.  When the 'Starting Windows 95'
message appears, I press F4 to go into DOS 6.22 instead of Win95.  Much
better for games, I don't have to keep going into and out of Win95's "dos
mode".

says...

  Actually the easiest for me is just to click the "sugggest msdos mode
as necessary" box in advanced properties. The you can run the game without
going to dos and it runs just as fast... honest!

Sandman

I have..or did you misunderstand what I wrote?

I will, as soon as I can figure out a way to quadruple boot DOS, Win95, NT Workstation,
and Warp!

The whole reason I posted those instructions was to help out the dozens of people who
posted "Help!!!" messages...virtually every installation of Win95 I've seen (and I've
seen a lot, trust me) works a little bit differently...

Neil

I will, as soon as I can figure out a way to quadruple boot DOS, Win95, NT
Workstation,
and Warp!
<<<

I've used System Commander from V Communications to do something similar.
V claims that System Command can multi-boot some ridiculously large number
of operating systems (20? 99? more than I'd ever have disk space for on
one computer :-).

Rick Genter
Technical Lead, IndyCar Racing II
Papyrus Design Group, Inc.

  How much is one of those System Commanders?

Dave.

        Actually, I haven't found a game yet that I have to go back to Dos6
for.  So instead of using F4 to boot into Dos6 for games which require
DOS mode, I hit the F8 key to bring up the boot menu and select number
6 - "Command Prompt only" which brings up the Win95 C: prompt.  From
here I can run whatever game I want with the batch files I've set up,
and when I'm done I can type "win" to load the GUI portion of Windows
without having to reboot.  It saves me a few minutes.
        On a related note, I've heard of a utility which allows Win95 to
"boot" into DOS mode by simply unloading itself instead of an actual
reboot back to the bios screen.  Has anyone else heard of this animal,
or know it's name or where to find it?

                                        Thanks,
                                        Keith

Keith Suderman                   |

Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada       | work and 50% mathematics...
Computer Science IV              |

: >: No offense, but if you want to do the other way you might as well
: >: reload DOS 6.22.
: >: Let go of the past :)

: >: Mike
: >I have my system set up as a dual-boot.  When the 'Starting Windows 95'
: >message appears, I press F4 to go into DOS 6.22 instead of Win95.  Much
: >better for games, I don't have to keep going into and out of Win95's "dos
: >mode".

:       Actually, I haven't found a game yet that I have to go back to Dos6
: for.  So instead of using F4 to boot into Dos6 for games which require
: DOS mode, I hit the F8 key to bring up the boot menu and select number
: 6 - "Command Prompt only" which brings up the Win95 C: prompt.  From
: here I can run whatever game I want with the batch files I've set up,
: and when I'm done I can type "win" to load the GUI portion of Windows
: without having to reboot.  It saves me a few minutes.
.......

In a recent test of math(only) operations I ran on a Dell 133 we have
here, I found that in the Win95 c:prompt the machine performed 5 times
slower(!!!) than in a dry boot to dos 6.22.  In fact with Win95, the 133
runs at the same speed as the Zeos P75(Dos 6.22) down the hall!  
Windows95 seems ok for doing the windows stuff, but a real dog when it's
time to just get things done.

Matt

Since W95 includes a full version of DOS, I don't know of any reason
to keep DOS 6 around.  If you want to normally boot to a command line,
just make sure "bootGUI" is set to zero in your msdos.sys file.  The
system will boot to the DOS prompt.  You can then type "win" to start
windows.

See the following URL for more info:
http://www.creativelement.com/win95ann/msdossys.html

If you select "shutdown" from windows it just goes back to DOS.  The
problem is that's it displaying that picture about being OK to turn off
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Scott Pritchett

:       On a related note, I've heard of a utility which allows Win95 to
: "boot" into DOS mode by simply unloading itself instead of an actual
: reboot back to the bios screen.  Has anyone else heard of this animal,
: or know it's name or where to find it?

Try typing "mode co80" when you get the "safe to turn off your machine"
screen.