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GPL - How to make a fast (clean) start ?

Simo

GPL - How to make a fast (clean) start ?

by Simo » Thu, 03 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Hi,

I have been playing GPL for probably 50 hours or so, but I have a problem
starting the (offline) race - I have not tried online racing yet.
First some background info:
I am driving the Cooper (Coventry) car and using the setups from Alison's
site.
I usually drive at the Monza track, because I know it quite well now -
especially the grass and the armco :-)
On a good day, I qualify at 1.35.6 which put me in position 14 in a PRO
short race.
BTW, I am driving with no aids on - EXCEPT automatic shifting.

Now to my problem - when the flag drops, my car is just glued to the track.
I can't seem to get the car moving and quite soon my nice pos. 14 is
becoming an ugly #20. I know that using the automatic shifting option is not
helping me at the start, but untill I am more comfortable with the car, I
don't want to concentrate on the gears... I would like to have a way to keep
the revs up before tha flag drops, but with auto shifting the result is
always a false start :-(

Can anybody give me some tips to getting a better start ?

Regards,

Simon
( Who raced last night and was sure that Beltoise had a mission - "Stop
Simon at all costs" :-)

KPineb

GPL - How to make a fast (clean) start ?

by KPineb » Thu, 03 Dec 1998 04:00:00



>BTW, I am driving with no aids on - EXCEPT automatic shifting.

>Now to my problem - when the flag drops, my car is just glued to the track.
>I can't seem to get the car moving and quite soon my nice pos. 14 is
>becoming an ugly #20. I know that using the automatic shifting option is not
>helping me at the start, but untill I am more comfortable with the car, I
>don't want to concentrate on the gears... I would like to have a way to keep
>the revs up before tha flag drops, but with auto shifting the result is
>always a false start :-(

Hi --

Someone may have another solution, but I think the problem lies purely in
driving automatic.  If you've gotten good enough at Monza to get 14 on the
grid, it's probably time to take a day off racing and practice shifting
instead.  Within an hour or two, you'll pick up another two or three places, I
predict, just because shifting is so much more effective.  And your starts will
be much more effective (although certainly not easy ;-)  ).  Automatic is a
nice learning tool, but you're ready to "take off the training wheels."

Pinebox

MeatWate

GPL - How to make a fast (clean) start ?

by MeatWate » Thu, 03 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Hi Simon,

For any other sim that I know (and I know quite a few) 50 hours is immense.
50 hours spent with GPL still isn't much - to put it in other words, you've
probably only just started to "dig" it.

In my opinion it is a complete waste of time to "learn" GPL with driving
aids. The only driving aid that lets you constantly improve and prepare for
"the real thing" is to use the advanced trainer. Weird example: if you want
to learn playing an instrument, you'll have to sing along from the very
start or you'll have BIG difficulties to get used to singing AND playing at
the same time. Pretty similar with GPL: the day will come that you'll HAVE
to turn that auto-shifter off, and you'll be surprised or rather shocked how
much different the car feels. Manual shifting greatly influences the car's
physics as well - shifting up/down too early, too soon, overreving the
engine...you better start to learn how to deal with this - the sooner, the
better.
consider it as a fact that you won't get good lap times and starts without
manual shifting.

Have you ever seen the german F1 driver M. Schumacher start? That man is
absolutely ace! Well, he sure wouldn't be able to do this if he had
auto-shifting...
Now there's three ways to "do" it in GPL:
1- manual shifting, wheel button (or keyboard) as a clutch. Press the
"clutch-button", hold it, get in gear. When the green flag is up, revs up to
60%, slowly (!!) rising towards 80-85%. With the green flag going down, let
go of the clutch and SLIGHTLY lift your foot off the gas until the car
starts to move. As soon as the car's building up speed, SLIGHTLY increase
pressure on the gas. What ever you do, DON'T spin them rears!
2- manual shifting, no clutch. When the green flag is up, revs up to 60%,
slowly (!!) rising towards 80-85%. With the green flag going down, punch in
that first gear, SLIGHTLY lift your foot off the gas until the car starts to
move. As soon as the car's building up speed, SLIGHTLY increase pressure on
the gas. Again it is VERY important that the rear wheels don't spin when you
get in gear.
3- manual shifting, ANALOG (pedal-) clutch (the way I do it). GPL lets us
assign a third axis, so why not use it? All those having a T2 or a NASCAR
PRO wheel can easily add a third pedal to the pedal base, and this really
rules. BUT: unfortunately the simulation of an analog clutch is NOT that
good in GPL, as the travel is VERY short. Or is this realistic? What I'm
trying to say is that whe I started using the clutch-pedal I was very
disappointed as I thought that the clutch was ON/OFF only. Using a button or
the pedal didn't make any difference. But then I practiced and practiced
and...tada! There WAS a difference. But as I said, the travel is VERY short.

Here's a short replay that shows what can be done using an analog clutch...I
wouldn' t wanna miss it, although I hated it in the beginning.

http://www.racesimcentral.net/***er/start.zip

Questions, comments, flames...go for it - I'd love to read how others master
their starts!

Mea***er


KPineb

GPL - How to make a fast (clean) start ?

by KPineb » Thu, 03 Dec 1998 04:00:00



> Weird example: if you want
>to learn playing an instrument, you'll have to sing along from the very
>start or you'll have BIG difficulties to get used to singing AND playing at
>the same time.

So THATS why I could never sing along while I played saxaphone!  No wonder!

Pinebox

MeatWate

GPL - How to make a fast (clean) start ?

by MeatWate » Thu, 03 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Wuaaaahahahaaa, LOL

Gimme gimme gimme!

KPinebox schrieb in Nachricht



>> Weird example: if you want
>>to learn playing an instrument, you'll have to sing along from the very
>>start or you'll have BIG difficulties to get used to singing AND playing
at
>>the same time.

>So THATS why I could never sing along while I played saxaphone!  No wonder!

>Pinebox

DPHI

GPL - How to make a fast (clean) start ?

by DPHI » Thu, 03 Dec 1998 04:00:00

I used to be able to do this with my GP1 wheel and CH pedal setup, using the
paddles on the wheel for a clutch lever. It worked great, especially if the
rear of the car started to come around on me, I could just feather the clutch a
bit without touching the brakes and the car would settle down enough that I
could regain some sort of control. With my new wheel, I have to use one of the
buttons on the wheel as the clutch and it's not as easy to control, still good
for starts though.

-don

"To race is to live, everything else is just waiting." - Rudi Caracciola

Eldre

GPL - How to make a fast (clean) start ?

by Eldre » Thu, 03 Dec 1998 04:00:00



>Weird example: if you want
>to learn playing an instrument, you'll have to sing along from the very
>start or you'll have BIG difficulties to get used to singing AND playing at
>the same time.

That was never a problem, even though I didn't start singing until MUCH later.
I have, however, discovered that I can't sing and WRITE(or type) at the same
time.  I'm not sure why....<g>

Eldred

Eldre

GPL - How to make a fast (clean) start ?

by Eldre » Thu, 03 Dec 1998 04:00:00



>consider it as a fact that you won't get good lap times and starts without
>manual shifting.

Well, that's not what *I* wanted to hear... :(
Even though I can 'get around' Monza with manual shifting, I can't IMAGINE
trying to do Spa(or - GASP! - the 'Ring).

Eldred

MeatWate

GPL - How to make a fast (clean) start ?

by MeatWate » Thu, 03 Dec 1998 04:00:00

After I'd played the GPL demo for the first time I could't even imagine
completing ONE darn lap without spinning. Now I'm doin' pretty good (still
far from "good enough" though). Give yourself a chance, you'll be amazed.

Mea***er


Schlom

GPL - How to make a fast (clean) start ?

by Schlom » Thu, 03 Dec 1998 04:00:00

I found out that if u jump the gun just slightly, maybe a half a second with
auto shifting u get a descent start.  When i first started driving GPL i used
auto-shift and found this out, after numerous attempts and a few black flags i
might add.  But it does hurt u immensly at the start.  I used to lose 2-3
positons now i gain 2-3. Hope thois helps.

BTW- The 'Ring with manual shift?!?!?!  I can BARELY complete a warm-up lap
with auto!!!!

Arto Wik

GPL - How to make a fast (clean) start ?

by Arto Wik » Thu, 03 Dec 1998 04:00:00


Well, I must join the opinion: My best time in the only track I know
somehow (Monza) was 1:36.??, and as soon as I turned to manual
shifting, the best went to 1:33.??. I just got more means of controlling
the car...  (I drive fastest with the Lotus, ... I know I should be
ashamed...)

Arto

a..

GPL - How to make a fast (clean) start ?

by a.. » Thu, 03 Dec 1998 04:00:00



Try getting used to the manual gears. When I finally changed, it
actually got easier to drive within about 30mins - being able to use
the gears to help in braking makes it MUCH easier!

AFAIK it is impossible to avoid bogging down at the start unless you
turn off the auto gearchange.

Good luck!

Cheers

Alan

Eldre

GPL - How to make a fast (clean) start ?

by Eldre » Fri, 04 Dec 1998 04:00:00


I've never been able to time it right(jump start).  I also think I've only done
about 4-5 full laps at the 'Ring'.  I have PlENTY of:
spin-crash-spin-spin-crash-SCREW THIS!
next track... :)
Eldred

Eldre

GPL - How to make a fast (clean) start ?

by Eldre » Fri, 04 Dec 1998 04:00:00


writes:

You gained THREE seconds?!?  Hmm..I'm at 1:32.xx NOW...Maybe I can beat that
accursed Clark *after* all...<g>
Eldred

Schlom

GPL - How to make a fast (clean) start ?

by Schlom » Fri, 04 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Ha Ha Ha.  Thats how i am sometimes at the Ring.  But today i made progress im
in the 10 minute bracket!!!  My previous best was 11-something.  So all in all
i think i hit shift-R maybe 3 times as opposed to 5.  


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