rec.autos.simulators

by **Whogivesarat** » Fri, 01 Jun 2001 11:39:35

I'm sorry but these all look like high school projects the kids have done,
they look.....well ridiculous and cheap....

oh nearly forgot....US$200....... roflmao, for 20 dollars worth of cheapo
MDF board........lmao again !
But if you want a good laugh guys go and check them out
http://www.racesimcentral.net/

I haven't laughed so hard in a long time....

TM

> The best one is the one you build entirely yourself...
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/%20Cockpit.htm
> Has served me faithfully for quite sometime, and was built for a fraction
of
> the cost of either of the others.

> Edward

> > When I saw the Simchassis for the first time - I was looking for the
> wheels
> > and pedals.. Then as I noticed they there were infact not included - I
> > started to laugh..... over the price.

> > $700 for some MDF-boards you can get at the localstore for $20 ???? Get
> > outta here!! Biggest rip-off I've seen in years - even beat the
> Hyperstims!

> > All a bunch hype (pardon the expression!) IMO - I'm pretty sure that for
I
> > could make something like that for the fraction of the costs.

> > --
> > ed_
> > --
> > Note!
> > Return address is *not* my own - but the e-mail address to an e-mail
> > mass-distribution company that have bothered me one time to many!
> > Eat this - suckers!

> > > I saw a post today on the High Gear hardware forum from J Bodin
> > > regarding the Simchassis in which he says the price of a Simchassis
> > > "puts to shame" the price of a Hyper. As a long time Hyper owner (5
> > > years), I thought some comment was called for.

> > > The important point is that the Simchassis does not include a steering
> > > wheel and pedals where the Hyper does, and they are the equal of
> > > anything on the market.

> > > To properly compare the two, you would have to add to the Simchassis
> > > the cost of a top quality wheel and pedals. For example, the cheapest
> > > Thomas Superwheel that has comparable features to the Hyper's wheel is
> > > US$855. Adding that makes the comparison come out somewhat
> > > differently.

> > > I'm sure that people who are happy with their existing controls would
> > > find the Simchassis a good way to get away from driving sitting at a
> > > desk but to simply compare the price without noting what you get for
> > > the money is misleading.

> > > BTW, the only connection I have with Hyperstimulator is as a satisfied
> > > customer.

> > > Peter Holt

by **Don Scurlo** » Fri, 01 Jun 2001 11:58:34

>>What's wrong with the Hyper steering wheel, Don?

>>Peter Holt

>There are several different Hyper wheels out there so
>he needs to qualify that. Mine is a butterfly shape with the
>buttons in the center and flippers in the back. There is
>also a sideways "D" shape and a round "historic" model
>available. The centering on mine is not real strong so maybe
>he doesn't like that. I find it quite nice and has been said, there
>are absolutely NO pedals out there with the real feel like the
>hyper has.

>Jeff

The quality of construction and design of the steering wheel itself is
great, it's the "feel" that I really didn't like. The steering wheel
shaft is steel but the bearings it runs through are a solid block of
some kind of high density plastic that has too much friction that can't
be eliminated, and a multi spring wheel return system that didn't
supply the right amount of force and added to the lack of feel.

Don Scurlock
Vancouver,B.C.

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by **Edward_** » Sat, 02 Jun 2001 07:30:49

And you could do better?..I doubt it very much....oh yeah ..Bite ME

> I'm sorry but these all look like high school projects the kids have done,
> they look.....well ridiculous and cheap....

> oh nearly forgot....US$200....... roflmao, for 20 dollars worth of cheapo
> MDF board........lmao again !
> But if you want a good laugh guys go and check them out
> http://simchassis.bhmotorsports.com/frameset.html

> I haven't laughed so hard in a long time....

> TM

> > The best one is the one you build entirely yourself...
> > http://members.home.net/ecrawford1/mara/Racing%20Cockpit.htm
> > Has served me faithfully for quite sometime, and was built for a
fraction
> of
> > the cost of either of the others.

> > Edward

> > > When I saw the Simchassis for the first time - I was looking for the
> > wheels
> > > and pedals.. Then as I noticed they there were infact not included -
I
> > > started to laugh..... over the price.

> > > $700 for some MDF-boards you can get at the localstore for $20 ????
Get
> > > outta here!! Biggest rip-off I've seen in years - even beat the
> > Hyperstims!

> > > All a bunch hype (pardon the expression!) IMO - I'm pretty sure that
for
> I
> > > could make something like that for the fraction of the costs.

> > > --
> > > ed_
> > > --
> > > Note!
> > > Return address is *not* my own - but the e-mail address to an e-mail
> > > mass-distribution company that have bothered me one time to many!
> > > Eat this - suckers!

> > > > I saw a post today on the High Gear hardware forum from J Bodin
> > > > regarding the Simchassis in which he says the price of a Simchassis
> > > > "puts to shame" the price of a Hyper. As a long time Hyper owner (5
> > > > years), I thought some comment was called for.

> > > > The important point is that the Simchassis does not include a
steering
> > > > wheel and pedals where the Hyper does, and they are the equal of
> > > > anything on the market.

> > > > To properly compare the two, you would have to add to the Simchassis
> > > > the cost of a top quality wheel and pedals. For example, the
cheapest
> > > > Thomas Superwheel that has comparable features to the Hyper's wheel
is
> > > > US$855. Adding that makes the comparison come out somewhat
> > > > differently.

> > > > I'm sure that people who are happy with their existing controls
would
> > > > find the Simchassis a good way to get away from driving sitting at a
> > > > desk but to simply compare the price without noting what you get for
> > > > the money is misleading.

> > > > BTW, the only connection I have with Hyperstimulator is as a
satisfied
> > > > customer.

> > > > Peter Holt

by **Whogivesarat** » Sat, 02 Jun 2001 08:04:00

Considering that I'm a boat builder/carpenter by trade yeah I could do
better....much,much better.
Bite ME!!

> And you could do better?..I doubt it very much....oh yeah ..Bite ME

> > I'm sorry but these all look like high school projects the kids have
done,
> > they look.....well ridiculous and cheap....

> > oh nearly forgot....US$200....... roflmao, for 20 dollars worth of
cheapo
> > MDF board........lmao again !
> > But if you want a good laugh guys go and check them out
> > http://simchassis.bhmotorsports.com/frameset.html

> > I haven't laughed so hard in a long time....

> > TM

> > > The best one is the one you build entirely yourself...
> > > http://members.home.net/ecrawford1/mara/Racing%20Cockpit.htm
> > > Has served me faithfully for quite sometime, and was built for a
> fraction
> > of
> > > the cost of either of the others.

> > > Edward

> > > > When I saw the Simchassis for the first time - I was looking for the
> > > wheels
> > > > and pedals.. Then as I noticed they there were infact not
included -
> I
> > > > started to laugh..... over the price.

> > > > $700 for some MDF-boards you can get at the localstore for $20 ????
> Get
> > > > outta here!! Biggest rip-off I've seen in years - even beat the
> > > Hyperstims!

> > > > All a bunch hype (pardon the expression!) IMO - I'm pretty sure that
> for
> > I
> > > > could make something like that for the fraction of the costs.

> > > > --
> > > > ed_
> > > > --
> > > > Note!
> > > > Return address is *not* my own - but the e-mail address to an e-mail
> > > > mass-distribution company that have bothered me one time to many!
> > > > Eat this - suckers!

> > > > > I saw a post today on the High Gear hardware forum from J Bodin
> > > > > regarding the Simchassis in which he says the price of a
Simchassis
> > > > > "puts to shame" the price of a Hyper. As a long time Hyper owner
(5
> > > > > years), I thought some comment was called for.

> > > > > The important point is that the Simchassis does not include a
> steering
> > > > > wheel and pedals where the Hyper does, and they are the equal of
> > > > > anything on the market.

> > > > > To properly compare the two, you would have to add to the
Simchassis
> > > > > the cost of a top quality wheel and pedals. For example, the
> cheapest
> > > > > Thomas Superwheel that has comparable features to the Hyper's
wheel
> is
> > > > > US$855. Adding that makes the comparison come out somewhat
> > > > > differently.

> > > > > I'm sure that people who are happy with their existing controls
> would
> > > > > find the Simchassis a good way to get away from driving sitting at
a
> > > > > desk but to simply compare the price without noting what you get
for
> > > > > the money is misleading.

> > > > > BTW, the only connection I have with Hyperstimulator is as a
> satisfied
> > > > > customer.

> > > > > Peter Holt

by **Edward_** » Sat, 02 Jun 2001 10:51:26

Oh sure boat builder uh, well lets see what you can do then...build a
better one .... put up or shut up! Bite ME...twice

> Considering that I'm a boat builder/carpenter by trade yeah I could do
> better....much,much better.
> Bite ME!!

> > And you could do better?..I doubt it very much....oh yeah ..Bite ME

> > > I'm sorry but these all look like high school projects the kids have
> done,
> > > they look.....well ridiculous and cheap....

> > > oh nearly forgot....US$200....... roflmao, for 20 dollars worth of
> cheapo
> > > MDF board........lmao again !
> > > But if you want a good laugh guys go and check them out
> > > http://simchassis.bhmotorsports.com/frameset.html

> > > I haven't laughed so hard in a long time....

> > > TM

> > > > The best one is the one you build entirely yourself...
> > > > http://members.home.net/ecrawford1/mara/Racing%20Cockpit.htm
> > > > Has served me faithfully for quite sometime, and was built for a
> > fraction
> > > of
> > > > the cost of either of the others.

> > > > Edward

> > > > > When I saw the Simchassis for the first time - I was looking for
the
> > > > wheels
> > > > > and pedals.. Then as I noticed they there were infact not
> included -
> > I
> > > > > started to laugh..... over the price.

> > > > > $700 for some MDF-boards you can get at the localstore for $20
????
> > Get
> > > > > outta here!! Biggest rip-off I've seen in years - even beat the
> > > > Hyperstims!

> > > > > All a bunch hype (pardon the expression!) IMO - I'm pretty sure
that
> > for
> > > I
> > > > > could make something like that for the fraction of the costs.

> > > > > --
> > > > > ed_
> > > > > --
> > > > > Note!
> > > > > Return address is *not* my own - but the e-mail address to an
e-mail
> > > > > mass-distribution company that have bothered me one time to many!
> > > > > Eat this - suckers!

> > > > > > I saw a post today on the High Gear hardware forum from J Bodin
> > > > > > regarding the Simchassis in which he says the price of a
> Simchassis
> > > > > > "puts to shame" the price of a Hyper. As a long time Hyper
owner
> (5
> > > > > > years), I thought some comment was called for.

> > > > > > The important point is that the Simchassis does not include a
> > steering
> > > > > > wheel and pedals where the Hyper does, and they are the equal of
> > > > > > anything on the market.

> > > > > > To properly compare the two, you would have to add to the
> Simchassis
> > > > > > the cost of a top quality wheel and pedals. For example, the
> > cheapest
> > > > > > Thomas Superwheel that has comparable features to the Hyper's
> wheel
> > is
> > > > > > US$855. Adding that makes the comparison come out somewhat
> > > > > > differently.

> > > > > > I'm sure that people who are happy with their existing controls
> > would
> > > > > > find the Simchassis a good way to get away from driving sitting
at
> a
> > > > > > desk but to simply compare the price without noting what you get
> for
> > > > > > the money is misleading.

> > > > > > BTW, the only connection I have with Hyperstimulator is as a
> > satisfied
> > > > > > customer.

> > > > > > Peter Holt

by **Whogivesarat** » Sat, 02 Jun 2001 12:05:51

For starters the post I was refering to was not about your "cockpit" it was
the simchassis.
Put up or shut up?....... man I don't have to prove nothing, especially to
you, I spent 4 years "proving it"bud.
If you can't take some criticism,don't put links in a public forum..
Now climb back in your big square box and drive the flock off will ya....

> Oh sure boat builder uh, well lets see what you can do then...build a
> better one .... put up or shut up! Bite ME...twice

> > Considering that I'm a boat builder/carpenter by trade yeah I could do
> > better....much,much better.
> > Bite ME!!

> > > And you could do better?..I doubt it very much....oh yeah ..Bite ME

> > > > I'm sorry but these all look like high school projects the kids have
> > done,
> > > > they look.....well ridiculous and cheap....

> > > > oh nearly forgot....US$200....... roflmao, for 20 dollars worth of
> > cheapo
> > > > MDF board........lmao again !
> > > > But if you want a good laugh guys go and check them out
> > > > http://simchassis.bhmotorsports.com/frameset.html

> > > > I haven't laughed so hard in a long time....

> > > > TM

> > > > > The best one is the one you build entirely yourself...
> > > > > http://members.home.net/ecrawford1/mara/Racing%20Cockpit.htm
> > > > > Has served me faithfully for quite sometime, and was built for a
> > > fraction
> > > > of
> > > > > the cost of either of the others.

> > > > > Edward

> > > > > > When I saw the Simchassis for the first time - I was looking for
> the
> > > > > wheels
> > > > > > and pedals.. Then as I noticed they there were infact not
> > included -
> > > I
> > > > > > started to laugh..... over the price.

> > > > > > $700 for some MDF-boards you can get at the localstore for $20
> ????
> > > Get
> > > > > > outta here!! Biggest rip-off I've seen in years - even beat the
> > > > > Hyperstims!

> > > > > > All a bunch hype (pardon the expression!) IMO - I'm pretty sure
> that
> > > for
> > > > I
> > > > > > could make something like that for the fraction of the costs.

> > > > > > --
> > > > > > ed_
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Note!
> > > > > > Return address is *not* my own - but the e-mail address to an
> e-mail
> > > > > > mass-distribution company that have bothered me one time to
many!
> > > > > > Eat this - suckers!

> > > > > > > I saw a post today on the High Gear hardware forum from J
Bodin
> > > > > > > regarding the Simchassis in which he says the price of a
> > Simchassis
> > > > > > > "puts to shame" the price of a Hyper. As a long time Hyper
> owner
> > (5
> > > > > > > years), I thought some comment was called for.

> > > > > > > The important point is that the Simchassis does not include a
> > > steering
> > > > > > > wheel and pedals where the Hyper does, and they are the equal
of
> > > > > > > anything on the market.

> > > > > > > To properly compare the two, you would have to add to the
> > Simchassis
> > > > > > > the cost of a top quality wheel and pedals. For example, the
> > > cheapest
> > > > > > > Thomas Superwheel that has comparable features to the Hyper's
> > wheel
> > > is
> > > > > > > US$855. Adding that makes the comparison come out somewhat
> > > > > > > differently.

> > > > > > > I'm sure that people who are happy with their existing
controls
> > > would
> > > > > > > find the Simchassis a good way to get away from driving
sitting
> at
> > a
> > > > > > > desk but to simply compare the price without noting what you
get
> > for
> > > > > > > the money is misleading.

> > > > > > > BTW, the only connection I have with Hyperstimulator is as a
> > > satisfied
> > > > > > > customer.

> > > > > > > Peter Holt

by **Steve Garrot** » Sat, 02 Jun 2001 22:04:42

All rudeness and flaming aside, I would love to see what you come up
with. Let us know if/when you have something made. You prolly have
many of the needed tools and the knowledge on how to use them.

Thanks
SLG

>For starters the post I was refering to was not about your "cockpit" it was
>the simchassis.
>Put up or shut up?....... man I don't have to prove nothing, especially to
>you, I spent 4 years "proving it"bud.
>If you can't take some criticism,don't put links in a public forum..
>Now climb back in your big square box and drive the flock off will ya....

(All spelling errors are intentional and are there to show new
and improved ways of spelling old words. Grammatical errors are
due to too many English classes/teachers)

by **Edward_** » Sun, 03 Jun 2001 07:16:21

Well for starters, you did post originally directly beneath the link I
posted....So the logical conclusion when you said " these ALL look
like...bla bla bla" is that you were referring to mine as well...
Constructive criticism I have no problem with, however the childish drivel
you put forth is another matter...and if you have something constructive to
say about it, I'm more than willing to listen...
Yes, put up or shut up, YOU were the one who claimed you could build one
"much, much better", apparently you can't..
You spent 4 years proving what?, that you can shoot your mouth off before
your brain engages, so what...
I quite like my "big square box" and so do many others, if you don't well
"whogivesarats ass', some how an appropriate name for you...
Maybe you'll get lucky and someone will show you how to use all your boat
building tools and you can make one "much, much better"...I doubt it
though...

> For starters the post I was refering to was not about your "cockpit" it
was
> the simchassis.
> Put up or shut up?....... man I don't have to prove nothing, especially to
> you, I spent 4 years "proving it"bud.
> If you can't take some criticism,don't put links in a public forum..
> Now climb back in your big square box and drive the flock off will ya....

> > Oh sure boat builder uh, well lets see what you can do then...build a
> > better one .... put up or shut up! Bite ME...twice

> > > Considering that I'm a boat builder/carpenter by trade yeah I could do
> > > better....much,much better.
> > > Bite ME!!

> > > > And you could do better?..I doubt it very much....oh yeah ..Bite ME

> > > > > I'm sorry but these all look like high school projects the kids
have
> > > done,
> > > > > they look.....well ridiculous and cheap....

> > > > > oh nearly forgot....US$200....... roflmao, for 20 dollars worth of
> > > cheapo
> > > > > MDF board........lmao again !
> > > > > But if you want a good laugh guys go and check them out
> > > > > http://simchassis.bhmotorsports.com/frameset.html

> > > > > I haven't laughed so hard in a long time....

> > > > > TM

> > > > > > The best one is the one you build entirely yourself...
> > > > > > http://members.home.net/ecrawford1/mara/Racing%20Cockpit.htm
> > > > > > Has served me faithfully for quite sometime, and was built for a
> > > > fraction
> > > > > of
> > > > > > the cost of either of the others.

> > > > > > Edward

> > > > > > > When I saw the Simchassis for the first time - I was looking
for
> > the
> > > > > > wheels
> > > > > > > and pedals.. Then as I noticed they there were infact not
> > > included -
> > > > I
> > > > > > > started to laugh..... over the price.

> > > > > > > $700 for some MDF-boards you can get at the localstore for $20
> > ????
> > > > Get
> > > > > > > outta here!! Biggest rip-off I've seen in years - even beat
the
> > > > > > Hyperstims!

> > > > > > > All a bunch hype (pardon the expression!) IMO - I'm pretty
sure
> > that
> > > > for
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > could make something like that for the fraction of the costs.

> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > ed_
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Note!
> > > > > > > Return address is *not* my own - but the e-mail address to an
> > e-mail
> > > > > > > mass-distribution company that have bothered me one time to
> many!
> > > > > > > Eat this - suckers!

> > > > > > > > I saw a post today on the High Gear hardware forum from J
> Bodin
> > > > > > > > regarding the Simchassis in which he says the price of a
> > > Simchassis
> > > > > > > > "puts to shame" the price of a Hyper. As a long time Hyper
> > owner
> > > (5
> > > > > > > > years), I thought some comment was called for.

> > > > > > > > The important point is that the Simchassis does not include
a
> > > > steering
> > > > > > > > wheel and pedals where the Hyper does, and they are the
equal
> of
> > > > > > > > anything on the market.

> > > > > > > > To properly compare the two, you would have to add to the
> > > Simchassis
> > > > > > > > the cost of a top quality wheel and pedals. For example,
the
> > > > cheapest
> > > > > > > > Thomas Superwheel that has comparable features to the
Hyper's
> > > wheel
> > > > is
> > > > > > > > US$855. Adding that makes the comparison come out somewhat
> > > > > > > > differently.

> > > > > > > > I'm sure that people who are happy with their existing
> controls
> > > > would
> > > > > > > > find the Simchassis a good way to get away from driving
> sitting
> > at
> > > a
> > > > > > > > desk but to simply compare the price without noting what you
> get
> > > for
> > > > > > > > the money is misleading.

> > > > > > > > BTW, the only connection I have with Hyperstimulator is as a
> > > > satisfied
> > > > > > > > customer.

> > > > > > > > Peter Holt

by **Guy Leac** » Sun, 03 Jun 2001 12:24:29

About time you realised what you are :-)

> > ......BTW Hyperstim haven't updated their site news for what appears to be
> years - are they still making/selling Hyperstimulators?

> Hi Julian,
> Yes Hyper is still making and selling Simulators. The company has offices in
> Australia, Europe and the USA. And we have just appointed a distributor in
> your neck of the woods, Auckland NZ. In Australia olone we have 8 race
> centres. I'm the person in charge of their web site but I also have many
> other responsibilities within the company and we are so ***y busy that the
> news section of the web site hasn't received the attention it needs. I
> apologize for being a slack mole and thank you for the kick up the arse. I
> will endeavour to update the news page in the next few days. Keep an eye out
> for pics of a 2000 F1 Ferrari and a Jordon Hyper Stimulator.

> Jon Crooke

> > I don't own either, but have to agree entirely. When I saw the simchassis -
> > I thought where's the wheel and pedals? I hope to purchase a Hyperstimulator
> > one day, but I'll be going for the basic option where you just get the plans
> > of the chassis and have to cut it out of MDF board yourself - will save on
> > freight costs too.
> > BTW Hyperstim havent updated their site news for what appears to be years -
> > are they still making/selling Hyperstimulators?

> >> I saw a post today on the High Gear hardware forum from J Bodin
> >> regarding the Simchassis in which he says the price of a Simchassis
> >> "puts to shame" the price of a Hyper. As a long time Hyper owner (5
> >> years), I thought some comment was called for.

> >> The important point is that the Simchassis does not include a steering
> >> wheel and pedals where the Hyper does, and they are the equal of
> >> anything on the market.

> >> To properly compare the two, you would have to add to the Simchassis
> >> the cost of a top quality wheel and pedals. For example, the cheapest
> >> Thomas Superwheel that has comparable features to the Hyper's wheel is
> >> US$855. Adding that makes the comparison come out somewhat
> >> differently.

> >> I'm sure that people who are happy with their existing controls would
> >> find the Simchassis a good way to get away from driving sitting at a
> >> desk but to simply compare the price without noting what you get for
> >> the money is misleading.

> >> BTW, the only connection I have with Hyperstimulator is as a satisfied
> >> customer.

> >> Peter Holt

by **Kevin Gavit** » Sun, 03 Jun 2001 12:27:54

Nonsense, you couldn't do ***because you dont have access CNC equipment.

All the fine cabinetry about my house, some of it predating the existence of
CNC equipment by 100 years or so, must also be crap.

I have to admit to some scepticism about the "patent pending" adjustable
seat though. I have Morris Chairs. My library is full of plans for sloted
assembly plywood projects. Of course I couldn't possibly make them worth a
damn.

KFG

by **Jon Crook** » Wed, 06 Jun 2001 21:24:48

> and a multi spring wheel return system that didn't
> supply the right amount of force and added to the lack of feel.

Hi Don
I'm the person responsible for designing the Hyper Stimulator including the
centering feel of the Hyper Stimulator wheel. I based my design parameters
on my own extensive experience of driving Formula 2 ground effects (National
Champion) and non-ground effects cars, Formula Fords, Formula Vee's and V8
Supercars (Works Mobil/Brock driver). All the open wheeler cars displayed
very little centering due to the low castor angles used. The V8 Supercar had
only slightly more centering weight. I think where some people get confused
with centering weight is that their experience with driving a racing vehicle
is in a Go-Kart. Go-Karts run very high castor angles and as a result
provide very strong centering.

You must have tested a steering box that had the external***adjusters
too tight. The steering has been designed so that it can be easily and
quickly adjusted by the driver so that there is no friction at all.

Jon Crooke

by **Don Scurlo** » Thu, 07 Jun 2001 02:30:12

Although I'd very much like to, I have no experience in karts. I have however
spent some time in a Formula Ford. We're talking matters of degree here Jon,
and also in the context of driving a feedback lacking computer simulation as
opposed to driving a real car. In a sim wheel, the emphasis on centering weight
needs to be on giving some useful feedback and less on mimicking the actual
feel of a real car, not to mention that the force is going to vary so much for
different types of real cars that no one sim wheel is going to mimick them all
anyway. Whether the centering force on a sim wheel is strong or light is
personal preference and not really my point. In sim driving the number of
degrees of wheel turn tends to be less than in real life, a lot of time is
spent within a few degrees of center, and having a good sense of when the wheel
is centered is our main clue as to what the car is doing. So the way the wheel
reacts exactly at center is critical to getting useful feedback. It must be
frictionless with a clear sense of where center is, and that specifically is
what the Hyper lacks.

I had the oppurtunity to try a Hyper, a TSW, and a ECCI, all setup up in the
same room for a number of days.
With the Hyper, we spent a fair amount of time trying to eliminate the
friction in the system to get more feel at center. We removed the steering box
cover, backed out the tension***all the way, even tried lubricating the
plastic block bushing, and could never get it close to being as friction free,
and to having as much feel at center, as the TSW or ECCI wheels that were also
in the room. And the reasons for that were obvious, a plastic bushing under
spring load is never going to approach the smoothness of a ball bearing. Also,
the way the Hypers centering springs connect to the steering shaft has them
giving up almost all leverage at the center posistion, this combined with the
friction of the plastic steering shaft bushing makes for a very vague feel at
center.
Don't get me wrong Jon, I think Hypers are a fantastic product. The quality of
constuction, seating position and comfort, and particulary the pedal design,
feel, and adjustability are outstanding. There is however a bit of room for
improvement.

Don Scurlock
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by **Terr** » Sun, 10 Jun 2001 00:17:14

howdy, slightly off this topic but is there/will there be software drivers
for win2000 (and/or winXP when it comes out) for the hyperstim. les marton's
drivers's for win9x/ME are excellent, so something like them would be
excellent.
This is the only thing holding me back from running win2000 instead of
win9x.

Ta

> > and a multi spring wheel return system that didn't
> > supply the right amount of force and added to the lack of feel.
> Hi Don
> I'm the person responsible for designing the Hyper Stimulator including
the
> centering feel of the Hyper Stimulator wheel. I based my design parameters
> on my own extensive experience of driving Formula 2 ground effects
(National
> Champion) and non-ground effects cars, Formula Fords, Formula Vee's and V8
> Supercars (Works Mobil/Brock driver). All the open wheeler cars displayed
> very little centering due to the low castor angles used. The V8 Supercar
had
> only slightly more centering weight. I think where some people get
confused
> with centering weight is that their experience with driving a racing
vehicle
> is in a Go-Kart. Go-Karts run very high castor angles and as a result
> provide very strong centering.

> > it's the "feel" that I really didn't like. The steering wheel
> > shaft is steel but the bearings it runs through are a solid block of
> > some kind of high density plastic that has too much friction that can't
> > be eliminated,
> You must have tested a steering box that had the external***adjusters
> too tight. The steering has been designed so that it can be easily and
> quickly adjusted by the driver so that there is no friction at all.

> Jon Crooke

by **Jon Crook** » Sun, 10 Jun 2001 10:29:59

Hi Terry.
Yes, Les is working on that at the moment.
Regards Jon

On 9/6/01 1:17 AM, in article

> howdy, slightly off this topic but is there/will there be software drivers
> for win2000 (and/or winXP when it comes out) for the hyperstim. les marton's
> drivers's for win9x/ME are excellent, so something like them would be
> excellent.
> This is the only thing holding me back from running win2000 instead of
> win9x.

> Ta

>>> and a multi spring wheel return system that didn't
>>> supply the right amount of force and added to the lack of feel.
>> Hi Don
>> I'm the person responsible for designing the Hyper Stimulator including
> the
>> centering feel of the Hyper Stimulator wheel. I based my design parameters
>> on my own extensive experience of driving Formula 2 ground effects
> (National
>> Champion) and non-ground effects cars, Formula Fords, Formula Vee's and V8
>> Supercars (Works Mobil/Brock driver). All the open wheeler cars displayed
>> very little centering due to the low castor angles used. The V8 Supercar
> had
>> only slightly more centering weight. I think where some people get
> confused
>> with centering weight is that their experience with driving a racing
> vehicle
>> is in a Go-Kart. Go-Karts run very high castor angles and as a result
>> provide very strong centering.

>>> it's the "feel" that I really didn't like. The steering wheel
>>> shaft is steel but the bearings it runs through are a solid block of
>>> some kind of high density plastic that has too much friction that can't
>>> be eliminated,
>> You must have tested a steering box that had the external***adjusters
>> too tight. The steering has been designed so that it can be easily and
>> quickly adjusted by the driver so that there is no friction at all.

>> Jon Crooke

by **Terr** » Sun, 10 Jun 2001 22:22:00

Thats excellent, thanks for the reply

> Hi Terry.
> Yes, Les is working on that at the moment.
> Regards Jon

> On 9/6/01 1:17 AM, in article

> > howdy, slightly off this topic but is there/will there be software
drivers
> > for win2000 (and/or winXP when it comes out) for the hyperstim. les
marton's
> > drivers's for win9x/ME are excellent, so something like them would be
> > excellent.
> > This is the only thing holding me back from running win2000 instead of
> > win9x.

> > Ta

> >>> and a multi spring wheel return system that didn't
> >>> supply the right amount of force and added to the lack of feel.
> >> Hi Don
> >> I'm the person responsible for designing the Hyper Stimulator including
> > the
> >> centering feel of the Hyper Stimulator wheel. I based my design
parameters
> >> on my own extensive experience of driving Formula 2 ground effects
> > (National
> >> Champion) and non-ground effects cars, Formula Fords, Formula Vee's and
V8
> >> Supercars (Works Mobil/Brock driver). All the open wheeler cars
displayed
> >> very little centering due to the low castor angles used. The V8
Supercar
> > had
> >> only slightly more centering weight. I think where some people get
> > confused
> >> with centering weight is that their experience with driving a racing
> > vehicle
> >> is in a Go-Kart. Go-Karts run very high castor angles and as a result
> >> provide very strong centering.

> >>> it's the "feel" that I really didn't like. The steering wheel
> >>> shaft is steel but the bearings it runs through are a solid block of
> >>> some kind of high density plastic that has too much friction that
can't
> >>> be eliminated,
> >> You must have tested a steering box that had the external***
adjusters
> >> too tight. The steering has been designed so that it can be easily and
> >> quickly adjusted by the driver so that there is no friction at all.

> >> Jon Crooke

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