rec.autos.simulators

by **Mitch_** » Thu, 28 Oct 2004 13:34:25

Four top carmakers plan to split from Formula One and launch a rival
open-wheel Grand Prix racing series by 2008.

http://www.racesimcentral.net/

by **Woodie8** » Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:59:05

> Four top carmakers plan to split from Formula One and launch a rival
> open-wheel Grand Prix racing series by 2008.

Because it worked out so well for Indycars.

Don McCorkle

by **Andi Col** » Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:10:40

Did Indycars have a Bernie Ecclestone to 'get away' from.

Andi.

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> > Four top carmakers plan to split from Formula One and launch a rival
> > open-wheel Grand Prix racing series by 2008.

> Because it worked out so well for Indycars.

> Don McCorkle

by **elrik** » Thu, 28 Oct 2004 23:13:57

Well, . . . Dave H, . . . are you going to tell him ? ;o)

Elrikk

by **Dave Henri** » Fri, 29 Oct 2004 02:41:06

a breathern at least...

dave henrie

by **Dave Henri** » Fri, 29 Oct 2004 02:41:30

yup!!! :>

by **Kendt Eklu** » Fri, 29 Oct 2004 07:44:28

> > Four top carmakers plan to split from Formula One and launch a rival
> > open-wheel Grand Prix racing series by 2008.

> Because it worked out so well for Indycars.

> Don McCorkle

Except that nobody in Indycars has the weight that Ferrari does in F1.
I'd suspect that wherever Ferrari goes will be considered the real
Grand Prix championship. I bet the only reason Toyota hasn't signed
on is they hope they'll finally get a Formula 1 constructors title
after spending all that money ;).

Kendt

BTW - WTF is up with the upcoming WRC rules? I'd think those changes
are even more underhanded and arbitrary than anything done in F1
lately. The FIA certainly seems ready for a major shakeup.

by **Mitch_** » Fri, 29 Oct 2004 07:54:17

What about the new FIA rules? Two tires all weekend, reduced displacement,
aero package changes. Pretty drastic eh? Are they doing this to increase
competition, reduce costs, safety or maybe all of the above?

Mitch

with the upcoming WRC rules? I'd think those changes

by **Jan Verschuere** » Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:40:38

> What about the new FIA rules? Two tires all weekend, reduced
> displacement, aero package changes. Pretty drastic eh? Are they
> doing this to increase competition, reduce costs, safety or maybe all
> of the above?

They're not going the whole hog for next year AND the measures which are
being taken will only really benifit the big teams.

Ferrari/Williams/McLaren stand to save money to the tune of Minardi or
Jordan's annual budget, but the lesser teams will, in comparison, save less
and see their ability to gain competitiveness reduced even further.

Also there is no doubt the major players will find other motorsports willing
to create loopholes for them to test F1 technology there and thus gain as
much tracktime as they want.

That said, F1 teams are spending rediculous amounts of money on stuff that
doesn't improve the racing from a spectator point of view and which cannot
be adapted for road car use, thus bypassing F1's historical reason for being
(the current one being marketing and "image"). Something has got to be done
before the balloon deflates totally and this is an attempt at doing so.

Jan.
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by **Dave Henri** » Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:17:50

Does not the Enzo come stuffed with F1 tech?

dave henrie

by JP » Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:35:08

Cool. Just what is needed; two series without racing.

by **Kendt Eklu** » Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:30:05

> What about the new FIA rules? Two tires all weekend, reduced displacement,
> aero package changes. Pretty drastic eh? Are they doing this to increase
> competition, reduce costs, safety or maybe all of the above?

> Mitch

I was talking about the way they just delivered them to the teams in a
letter at one of the rounds. They also said (although this may have
changed, correct me if I'm wrong) that all teams had to go to
transverse-mounted inline 4cyl - which screws Subaru for no good
reason I can think of.

Kendt

by **Jan Verschuere** » Fri, 29 Oct 2004 19:42:31

And how many Enzos do you think will ever get driven on public roads?

Jan.
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by **Dave Henri** » Sat, 30 Oct 2004 07:09:34

A better question might be...of those Enzos that DO see the public
roads, how many will end up in the ditch? :)
dave henrie

by **nathant** » Sat, 30 Oct 2004 15:21:02

I thought they were trying to make it like 1968 where the drivers were the
ones that won races and not technology. In those days they used one set of
tires for more than one race. Then again, what do I know?

> What about the new FIA rules? Two tires all weekend, reduced
> displacement, aero package changes. Pretty drastic eh? Are they doing
> this to increase competition, reduce costs, safety or maybe all of the
> above?

> Mitch

> with the upcoming WRC rules? I'd think those changes
>> are even more underhanded and arbitrary than anything done in F1
>> lately. The FIA certainly seems ready for a major shakeup.