rec.autos.simulators

by ZZ » Mon, 21 Feb 2005 08:39:18

I was wondering, while I read the posts about how to get NSR running,
should EA apologize for putting out such an unfinished product?
I don't have it, but reading here, it seems like it's an unfinished game
and was pushed out the door in time for the "500".

Again, I can only tell from what I read here. It seems Larry has a nose
for finding the problems and posting fixes, so I'm going to wait until
he says he's found how to fix everything.

There is one thing that might really kill the deal for me though. It's
the copy protection thing that won't allow me to have *** or Deamon
or other CD copy tools on my system. I like to make copies of my legally
bought games for my own protection.

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by JP » Mon, 21 Feb 2005 08:47:52

> I was wondering, while I read the posts about how to get NSR running,
> should EA apologize for putting out such an unfinished product?
> I don't have it, but reading here, it seems like it's an unfinished game
> and was pushed out the door in time for the "500".

> Again, I can only tell from what I read here. It seems Larry has a nose
> for finding the problems and posting fixes, so I'm going to wait until
> he says he's found how to fix everything.

> There is one thing that might really kill the deal for me though. It's
> the copy protection thing that won't allow me to have *** or Deamon
> or other CD copy tools on my system. I like to make copies of my legally
> bought games for my own protection.

> --
> Richard "ZZ" Busch

Yep, they should apologize. Shame on them

And if they did, the point would be what ?

by **flightlessvac..** » Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:19:11

> Yep, they should apologize. Shame on them

> <rolls eyes>

> And if they did, the point would be what ?

I agree, this hatred of EA just seems ludicrous.

You want an apology from EA for producing the finest Nascar simulaton
to date?

Now THIS is what I call entertainment, ROFL.

by **Daru** » Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:34:23

"You want an apology from EA for producing the finest Nascar simulaton
to date? "

In the many other posts you add to, you keep mentioning the fact that
you have the demo. How can you form a valid opinion on NSR without
owning the product? And again I ask you to provide some details as to
WHY this is the "finest NASCAR simulation to date". Can you offer ANY
insight into WHAT makes this so great?

I found alink at superspeedway.net that list tons of tweaks for the
config and plr files that make this game ALMOST tolerable, at least
graphically. Shouldn't this be something that is done *before* the game
goes gold? Why do I (and many others) have spend hours changing 1's to
0's and vice versa to get the product to work in a reasonable manner?

by **The Captai** » Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:39:53

Simple. It's called "word of mouth"....

Based off the fact that EA's new "anti-piracy" stance is included in NSR
(read: the INability for the end-user to run any CD/DVD simulation software
such as Daemon Tools or *** 120%), I will not be buying said product.

I don't care WHO you are - NO ONE TELLS ME WHAT I *CAN* AND *CANNOT RUN* ON
*MY* GD MACHINE!!!

by **Daru** » Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:07:01

If you are making statements regarding a particular piece of software
based on "word of mouth" then you opinion is not YOURS.

No one is telling you what you can or cannot run on your machine. Show
me where EA has said that you can't run any of the stuff you mentioned.
YOu simply can't use it with THEIR code installed at the same time.
Your purchase of any software is only allows you a license to use their
software and is contingent on agreeing to their policies.

by JP » Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:24:14

> > Yep, they should apologize. Shame on them

> > <rolls eyes>

> > And if they did, the point would be what ?

> I agree, this hatred of EA just seems ludicrous.

> You want an apology from EA for producing the finest Nascar simulaton
> to date?

> Now THIS is what I call entertainment, ROFL.

Well, I agree with many of the complaints made fwiw. But asking them to
apologize ? LOL. "Somewhere over the rainbow......."

by **spar** » Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:22:06

I have *** 120% on my system and I had no problem installing and
running NSR. As for whether EA should apologize...NSR is what it is, a
$30 Nascar game. Does it appear to have been rushed out to meet a
deadline? Definitely. Hopefully, some of the issues will be fixed before
the next Daytone 500. I'm not sure that SimRacing means the same thing
to EA as it does to many of us.

Spark

> I was wondering, while I read the posts about how to get NSR running,
> should EA apologize for putting out such an unfinished product?
> I don't have it, but reading here, it seems like it's an unfinished game
> and was pushed out the door in time for the "500".

> Again, I can only tell from what I read here. It seems Larry has a nose
> for finding the problems and posting fixes, so I'm going to wait until
> he says he's found how to fix everything.

> There is one thing that might really kill the deal for me though. It's
> the copy protection thing that won't allow me to have *** or Deamon
> or other CD copy tools on my system. I like to make copies of my legally
> bought games for my own protection.

by **flightlessvac..** » Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:35:50

> "You want an apology from EA for producing the finest Nascar
simulaton
> to date? "

> In the many other posts you add to, you keep mentioning the fact that
> you have the demo. How can you form a valid opinion on NSR without
> owning the product? And again I ask you to provide some details as to
> WHY this is the "finest NASCAR simulation to date". Can you offer ANY
> insight into WHAT makes this so great?

> I found alink at superspeedway.net that list tons of tweaks for the
> config and plr files that make this game ALMOST tolerable, at least
> graphically. Shouldn't this be something that is done *before* the
game
> goes gold? Why do I (and many others) have spend hours changing 1's
to
> 0's and vice versa to get the product to work in a reasonable manner?

I now have the full product and am loving it.

NSR looks stunningly gorgeous right out of the box so I have no idea
what you are taking about.

by **Larr** » Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:33:41

I'm sure I won't find them all. Hell, I can't even find out how to call the
tow truck in online races when you get flat tires!

As for backing up games, well, I think the DMCA has killed that. Any good
software that would do it is now illegal, and the delelopers are taking away
more of our rights with every release.

The Fair-Use Doctrine has taken a beating every since the DMCA was passed :(

-Larry

>I was wondering, while I read the posts about how to get NSR running,
>should EA apologize for putting out such an unfinished product?
> I don't have it, but reading here, it seems like it's an unfinished game
> and was pushed out the door in time for the "500".

> Again, I can only tell from what I read here. It seems Larry has a nose
> for finding the problems and posting fixes, so I'm going to wait until he
> says he's found how to fix everything.

> There is one thing that might really kill the deal for me though. It's
> the copy protection thing that won't allow me to have *** or Deamon or
> other CD copy tools on my system. I like to make copies of my legally
> bought games for my own protection.

> --
> Richard "ZZ" Busch

> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> Member:
> Screamers Racing League
> oAo
> AoA
> MARA GTR
> GT Rank +36.233
> NGT Rank +49.137
> GT Rank Monster +1270.813
> GPL Rank + 14.768
> MoGPL Rank + 308.654
> N2003 Rank -18.8060
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by **David G Fishe** » Tue, 22 Feb 2005 23:58:37

????

I have a slower system than yours P4 3.0 512ram Radeon 9700Pro and a 19"
LCD. I run NSR at 1280x1024x32 with 2xAA and it looks fantastic. N2003 looks
flat and sparse in comparison. There is no comparison. It just looks old
now.

Yes, if you turn off AA, there are too many jaggies in NSR, but if I turn
off AA in N2003, N2003 looks awful.

My frame rates are excellent with 2xAA in NSR. Frame rates are still good
with higher AA, but I get sudden stutters for a few seconds for some reason,
so I can't use higher AA. Are there any racing games that look good without
AA? Any games at all?

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by **Steve Blankenshi** » Wed, 23 Feb 2005 00:19:10

I run both NR2003 and NSR at similar settings (16bit though) and think
NR2003 looks better; just more natural. But in any case, aside from the odd
NSR car shapes I think it's safe to say they're close enough graphically
that it's a matter of personal preference. Kind of the old F12K vs. GP4
argument. No end to that one... ;-)

It is interesting to see mention of the notorious ISI graphic stutter
popping up. GTR seems plagued by it, but I hadn't seen it in NSR yet.

As for your finishing question, probably not any track-based ones, but RBR
looks fine without AA. Very few straight edges out in the wild!

SB

by **Daru** » Tue, 22 Feb 2005 18:16:57

"NSR looks stunningly gorgeous right out of the box so I have no idea
what you are taking about."

Perhaps you are used to a monochrome monitor at a 640x480 screen rez,
or another ridiculously poor image display, but I expected a vast jump
in visual quality over NT and NR2003. What I got was the same ISI type
of graphics I have seen since F12000.

I run on an 18" LCD at 1280x1024x32, with a P4 3.0ghz, 1024 RAM, Radeon
9800 Pro. I max out the detail levels on every screen from within the
game and still get average display quality when compared to the same
spot on the track from NR2003. Shimmering fences, jaggies galore (No AA
allowed per the readme), and car models that are so unlike any NNC car
that I ever seen up close. Even when I sacrifice some FPS by using AA
(wtf is that anyway? It's 2005 and devs are making games that DON'T use
modern GPU enhancements?) the image quality improves somewhat. I have
to go to 6x AA to get the image that I want, but can't race with the 17
fps that I now get at DAytona. Gee, what an option. Thanks EA!

BTW, Paris Hilton, Brooke Burke, Anna Kournikova are all stunningly
beautiful. NSR run as is, right out of the box looks like my big toe.

by **David G Fishe** » Wed, 23 Feb 2005 00:30:00

> > I have a slower system than yours P4 3.0 512ram Radeon 9700Pro and a 19"
> > LCD. I run NSR at 1280x1024x32 with 2xAA and it looks fantastic. N2003
> looks
> > flat and sparse in comparison. There is no comparison. It just looks old
> > now.

> > Yes, if you turn off AA, there are too many jaggies in NSR, but if I
turn
> > off AA in N2003, N2003 looks awful.

> > My frame rates are excellent with 2xAA in NSR. Frame rates are still
good
> > with higher AA, but I get sudden stutters for a few seconds for some
> reason,
> > so I can't use higher AA. Are there any racing games that look good
> without
> > AA? Any games at all?
> > --
> > David G Fisher

> I run both NR2003 and NSR at similar settings (16bit though) and think
> NR2003 looks better; just more natural. But in any case, aside from the
odd
> NSR car shapes I think it's safe to say they're close enough graphically
> that it's a matter of personal preference. Kind of the old F12K vs. GP4
> argument. No end to that one... ;-)

> It is interesting to see mention of the notorious ISI graphic stutter
> popping up. GTR seems plagued by it, but I hadn't seen it in NSR yet.

Well I think it's probably more than what they are describing in GTR
actually. The frame rates drop from maybe 60 to 20 ( or 40 to 10) for a few
seconds and then back up to 60. :-)
--
David G Fisher

by **David G Fishe** » Wed, 23 Feb 2005 00:31:11

> > I have a slower system than yours P4 3.0 512ram Radeon 9700Pro and a 19"
> > LCD. I run NSR at 1280x1024x32 with 2xAA and it looks fantastic. N2003
> looks
> > flat and sparse in comparison. There is no comparison. It just looks old
> > now.

> > Yes, if you turn off AA, there are too many jaggies in NSR, but if I
turn
> > off AA in N2003, N2003 looks awful.

> > My frame rates are excellent with 2xAA in NSR. Frame rates are still
good
> > with higher AA, but I get sudden stutters for a few seconds for some
> reason,
> > so I can't use higher AA. Are there any racing games that look good
> without
> > AA? Any games at all?
> > --
> > David G Fisher

> I run both NR2003 and NSR at similar settings (16bit though) and think
> NR2003 looks better; just more natural. But in any case, aside from the
odd
> NSR car shapes I think it's safe to say they're close enough graphically
> that it's a matter of personal preference. Kind of the old F12K vs. GP4
> argument. No end to that one... ;-)

> It is interesting to see mention of the notorious ISI graphic stutter
> popping up. GTR seems plagued by it, but I hadn't seen it in NSR yet.

> As for your finishing question, probably not any track-based ones, but RBR
> looks fine without AA. Very few straight edges out in the wild!

> SB

Well I think it's probably more than what they are describing in GTR
actually. The frame rates drop from maybe 60 to 20 ( or 40 to 10) for a few
seconds and then back up to 60. :-)
--
David G Fisher

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