rec.autos.simulators

by **Byron Forbe** » Tue, 26 Apr 2005 16:07:00

This newsgroup will always be the home of sim racing because it will
never disappear. RSC and the like are great for a lot of reasons but even
they were off the wire not long back.

As far as the off topic stuff goes - well, that's usenet - the price of
freedom. A small price to pay for a place where people can come and tell it
like it really is :) If you can work out the shit from the gold then you see
that this place truely is a treasure that will never suffer from old women
moderators or moderators with agendas/biases. Participation in the off topic
is optional as well.

> ...
>> RSC I think is taking over from R.A.S although I don't spend much time
>> there. I guess it's the way the Internet is changing though, not racing
>> in
>> particular. I used RAS with a modem. Now we all have BB a silly text
>> forum
>> is a tad old school.

> No slam against RSC, but I'd take the newsgroup format over a web based
> forum any day, broadband or not. With ones favorite news reader, you can
> sort, find, apply filters or rules, download quicker and save a bunch of
> time in general. Some better web forums have some flexibility, but none
> that I've seen come close to even the most basic news reader software.
> Sure you can put pictures on the web forums, but that is a double edge
> sword especially with all the useless signature pictures people use. Ugh!

> I think the demise (or supposed demise) of this group is not due to the
> format but the fact that it is not moderated and/or (as other's have
> said), that idiots are encouraged by getting replys to their posts.

> Okay, now I'll go back to having fun with LFS S2 alpha ...

> Russell

by **Byron Forbe** » Tue, 26 Apr 2005 16:22:38

I think it will be this very issue that FIRST will tackle. The open
servers via Sierra needed policing as does Simbin's though who cares, so
far, about the latter.

Come to think of it, this is one of my personal views towards what a
modern **sim** is - first rate, policed multiplay. So I therefore view
Sierra and Simbin servers as kids games rather than worthy of **sim**
status. Good for a laugh though. :)

by **John Wallac** » Wed, 27 Apr 2005 02:02:10

> no its idiots like you and papadoc spewing your propaganda BS allover
> the boards. get a clue.

Or people who post inflammatory comments which will start arguments?

Get a clue....

by **Larr** » Wed, 27 Apr 2005 22:13:30

Steve, I think part of it is due to the utter bordom that's taking place in
SIM releases right now.

The worst thing that EVER happened to us was the damned Console.

-Larry

by **Larr** » Wed, 27 Apr 2005 23:01:31

This is why I liked TEN so much.

It's scoring system was FAR superior to Sierra's. The info in Sierra is
almost useless.

They should be scoring top 10's, top 5's, Win's, Poles and other stuff as
well as LPI and rank.

Sierra gives no sense of accomplishment. I firmly believe that's why so few
people care about what happens there in online races.

-Larry

> Maybe its not this or any group in particular thats failing in the Sim
> Racing genre. Could it be that this Sim Racing by its very nature was
> bound to fail? Real Racing as you know depends upon accountability.
> Without it any idiot can wreck anyone at any time. Thats the current
> state of Sim Racing as I see it. The only decent racing is with small
> cliques that know each other and drive respectably towards one another.
> Enter the nameless faceless internet sim driver and we have a mess that is
> currently sim racing. I dont know that it can be fixed either. Thus the
> migration away from RAS imo.

> Mitch

>> Is it all over for r.a.s.? I don't know abt. you, but I've about had it
>> with all the bilious incivility, advice about how to get into heaven or
>> Paris Hilton's tighty whiteys, what's wrong w. America (or Namibia or
>> Wahabiism or corn-dogs), offers of Viagra-by-mail or videos of American
>> soldiers getting killed, speculations on what Jesus might drive, et
>> cetera.
>> This used to be a fun place to hang out with sim-racers with mutual
>> interests. It's become a wretched hive of scum and villainy. Methinks
>> it's
>> time to move on.

by **Andrew MacPhers** » Thu, 28 Apr 2005 05:16:00

We need the "one sim to bind them all". GPL used to unify the group...
whether folk loved it or hated it :-) Now there's nothing to bring
everyone together, so we thrash around debating similar sims which don't
really e*** us like they should, and dissimilar politics, which e***s
us far too much.

Old folk are all the same, always looking for something to moan about.
Next thing you know someone will start a thread moaning about the state of
RAS ;-)

Andrew McP

by **Stephen F** » Thu, 28 Apr 2005 16:29:58

>> Steve, I think part of it is due to the utter bordom that's
>> taking place in SIM releases right now.

> We need the "one sim to bind them all". GPL used to unify the group...
> whether folk loved it or hated it :-) Now there's nothing to bring
> everyone together, so we thrash around debating similar sims which don't
> really e*** us like they should, and dissimilar politics, which e***s
> us far too much.

> Old folk are all the same, always looking for something to moan about.
> Next thing you know someone will start a thread moaning about the state of
> RAS ;-)

Maybe the shine's simply off sims in general. A physically realistic sim
was a brand new concept when I started posting in '93 on this newsgroup
(here from day 1, so to speak) and there was a certain "wow" factor related
to finally being able to pilot the same *insert favourite racing genre* car
on a somewhat realistic rendering of *insert favourite track here*. The
incremental improvements in sims over the decade are great, and it is
astonishing to compare the newest offerings to ICR1 or World Circuit, but I
still think nothing will quite touch the original discovery of the sim genre
in terms of a catalyst effect for lively discussion. The only other
significant improvement, and this is why it will always be a hot topic, was
the arrival of GPL. It brought the first proper physics engine based on the
danymics of discrete rigid bodies, and represented a departure from more
simple lookup tables. Everything else since then represents an improvement
on the same basic concept. Until proper real-time CFD arrives in a sim, it
will probably be pretty quiet for the gearheads in here (Mech. Eng. myself).

Stephen

by **Eldred Picket** » Sat, 30 Apr 2005 21:19:03

>This is why I liked TEN so much.

>It's scoring system was FAR superior to Sierra's. The info in Sierra is
>almost useless.

>They should be scoring top 10's, top 5's, Win's, Poles and other stuff as
>well as LPI and rank.

>Sierra gives no sense of accomplishment. I firmly believe that's why so few
>people care about what happens there in online races.

>-Larry

While all that other info might be pretty cool, I don't think it would
have any bearing on a driver's skill for safe racing. That's what we
all want, right? A fun competition against others of our relative
skill level. If a driver doesn't have any wins or poles, some people
wouldn't count him as a good racer, even if his LPI is through the
roof...

Eldred

by **Larr** » Sun, 01 May 2005 01:02:52

I certainly do NOT agree with that...

We just haven't HAD a good one since NR2003.

-Larry

\> Maybe the shine's simply off sims in general. A physically realistic sim

by **Larr** » Sun, 01 May 2005 01:04:46

Eldred,

To win, you have to finish :) You don't finish by knocking cars out of your
way most of the time. You inevitably become your own victim.

As for the second part of your statement, everyone can't win. There's only
one first place.

That's where the top 5's and 10's come in.

In general, wins don't win championships (unless it's a walk-away).
Consistent Top 5's and 10's do.

-Larry

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