rec.autos.simulators

> > Enough of the BS Jim.  Why skirt the issue?  He asked for a ***ing %

> Why dont you give Jim a break???  He's active on this Newsgroup on
> his own time.....He's been quite a bit of help to the non-whiners
> here...
> In a sense Jim is a volunteer, and for those of us that have real
> jobs, can appreciate the amount of extra effort it takes to
> volunteer thier free time.
> N2 has some bugs but is an improvement over N1... and I would imagine
> a lot of work is being put in the "patch" so that when the NRO goes
> online it will be as smooth and bug free as possible.  If you don't
> like N2 then take it up with Sierra Customer Support.. Not Jim.
> --

> >Well, if their next dose of "awesomeness" is as buggy as their current
> >dose of "awesomeness", I don't think it'll be too "awesome"..

> If you don't like it, don't play it.

> I hardly think that N2's current very minor bugs detract much from the
> sheer good fun to be had.

> You got a bad dose of negative attitude, fella.

>There's the bug list, any more ***ings about N2's "very minor" bugs???

> >There's the bug list, any more ***ings about N2's "very minor" bugs???

> That's It??? Wow, I thought from the way guys were talking that there
> were alot more bugs than that. Heck, that wouldn't even fill a page on
> my note pad. Considering the thousands upon thousands of lines of code
> they got in there in addition to the fact that it must work with many
> different software and hardware configurations, I'd have to say that
> list ain't all that bad for the pre patched version. BTW, Sierra's (or
> Microsoft IExplorer's) install problem has been fixed.

> I'd like to see a patch and some improvements too, but I must admit that
> they have done a great job with auto racing sims so far.

> Member - Hawaii Ace League http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> > No, he has a bad dose of negative attitude in his wallet for paying
sixty
> >bucks for an unfinished game,fella.

> Finished or no, it's worth a damn sight more than 60 bucks.

> Racing sims are the only computer software that see me constantly
> returning to the PC for more. Comparing them to other programs or other
> leisure activities the top three sims are all incredible value for money
> <g>

> I suggest that you and all the other whiners look at what you have got,
> rather than bemoaning what you do not have.

> Cheers,
> Richard

>> > No, he has a bad dose of negative attitude in his wallet for paying
>sixty
>> >bucks for an unfinished game,fella.

>> Finished or no, it's worth a damn sight more than 60 bucks.

>> Racing sims are the only computer software that see me constantly
>> returning to the PC for more. Comparing them to other programs or other
>> leisure activities the top three sims are all incredible value for money
>> <g>

>> I suggest that you and all the other whiners look at what you have got,
>> rather than bemoaning what you do not have.

>> Cheers,
>> Richard

>Well let's see what I have Oh yes,an unfinished game is what I have.Every
>one doesn't have daddy there to shell out the bucks every time baby boy
>starts crying.

> Whoa so many flames...makes me wanna ask for a weird patch...how about a
> patch for a broken header so we can get some flame on
> deceleration...ok...there is my 2 cent worth

> >Yes, it's a free internet, speech-wise, but you don't have to be an
> >*** about it.  (referring to your response to Richard Walker).

> >And whether you like it or not, Papyrus does not owe you or anyone
> >else a patch.  The "unfinished" game was quite finished by any
> >reasonable standard you wish to apply, ie the ***you get from any
> >other software manufacturer.  You are, of course, free to demand a
> >refund as a less than satisfied customer, and it is certainly in
> >Papyrus' best interest to release a patch, but no one owes you a patch,
> >and you don't have to be an ***.

> >Just my $.02.

> >--Marcus

> Hi Marcus,

> Your 2 cents are noted.   I tend to disagree that we are not owed a
> patch to fix any features of NCR2 that do not match those advertised
> or claimed.   Things like the lack of a save game feature have been
> left out and have been requested by the users.   No they dont owe us
> that feature.  

> But using ICR2 as an example, before the patch (that took almost 12
> months to arrive) the game was unplayable if you wanted to race with
> yellow flags on.   That made the game pretty shoddy to me.   It sat on
> the shelf.   If we accepted products if they are measured by the worst
> ***from any other standards .. then we are not getting what we paid
> for nor expected.   As you state:

> >The "unfinished" game was quite finished by any
> >reasonable standard you wish to apply, ie the ***you get from any
> >other software manufacturer.  

> I think the people in this NG sometimes forget how great these
> simulations are.   I know nothing about programming and have
> admiration for people who can put me in a racing car to race the
> circuits of the world.   But an acceptable commercial standard must be
> maintained.   Nothing less and nothing more.   You should get what you
> were promised.

> Sincerely,

> Craig

> http://www.racesimcentral.net/~hoppy1
> IVL Toys-R-Us #43 Pontiac - Rick Higbee Motorsports

> Member of Christian Auto Racing Evangelism - CARE
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/~carroll/care.htm

> >Finished or no, it's worth a damn sight more than 60 bucks.

> >I suggest that you and all the other whiners look at what you have got,
> >rather than bemoaning what you do not have.

> I second that emotion !

>> >Well, if their next dose of "awesomeness" is as buggy as their current
>> >dose of "awesomeness", I don't think it'll be too "awesome"..

>> If you don't like it, don't play it.

>> I hardly think that N2's current very minor bugs detract much from the
>> sheer good fun to be had.

>> You got a bad dose of negative attitude, fella.

>Here's a list of some of the so-called "minor" bugs in N2, and I know of
>some more.. Maybe if you have a 4837 mhz computer, you might not
>experience akk the bugs, but all of us aren't rich and spoiled like you
>Mr. Barham...

>from Dave Sparks' Nascar 2 FAQ at
>http://www.racesimcentral.net/

>Thanks Dave...

>BUG LIST
>========

>- Install corrupts Internet Explorer setup
>- Can't load setups with minimal install
>- No qualifying setups for some tracks with Windows install
>- AI pitting problems at Atlanta after a yellow
>- F1 screen doesn't update if F1 is pressed before first lap is
>  complete
>- Spotter says "Stay low" constantly during pace lap when spotter
>  level is set to "Full"
>- Spotter stops calling out lap times if you hit the wall just
>  before crossing the start/finish line
>- Spotter goes crazy after a big wreck, saying "Go low" "Go high"
>  constantly
>- Spotter gives bogus "Pass the #nn car" message after exiting
>  the pits
>- LF Camber is off in setup screen when set to 0.0
>- Weight distribution is displayed incorrectly after certain
>  setup changes
>- Frame rate is awful at Martinsville
>- Screen options are reset to SVGA before each race
>- Noticeable pause coming out of Turn 4 on some tracks
>- Dialup player starts inside an AI car in Multiplayer
>- Player's car towed off track without warning in Multiplayer
>- Dialup player cannot tow properly in Multiplayer
>- Dialup player hangs when max opponents set to 38 in Multiplayer
>- Dialup player locks up when exiting race in Multiplayer
>- Some DSVD modems don't work because baud rate is limited to 19.2
>- Get "Can't initialize modem" or "Can't initialize IPX card" when
>  the MULTI.LST file is not present

>There's the bug list, any more ***ings about N2's "very minor" bugs???

> >> >Well, if their next dose of "awesomeness" is as buggy as their
current
> >> >dose of "awesomeness", I don't think it'll be too "awesome"..

> >> If you don't like it, don't play it.

> >> I hardly think that N2's current very minor bugs detract much from the
> >> sheer good fun to be had.

> >> You got a bad dose of negative attitude, fella.

> >Here's a list of some of the so-called "minor" bugs in N2, and I know of
> >some more.. Maybe if you have a 4837 mhz computer, you might not
> >experience akk the bugs, but all of us aren't rich and spoiled like you
> >Mr. Barham...

> >from Dave Sparks' Nascar 2 FAQ at
> >http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> >Thanks Dave...

> >BUG LIST
> >========

> >- Install corrupts Internet Explorer setup
> >- Can't load setups with minimal install
> >- No qualifying setups for some tracks with Windows install
> >- AI pitting problems at Atlanta after a yellow
> >- F1 screen doesn't update if F1 is pressed before first lap is
> >  complete
> >- Spotter says "Stay low" constantly during pace lap when spotter
> >  level is set to "Full"
> >- Spotter stops calling out lap times if you hit the wall just
> >  before crossing the start/finish line
> >- Spotter goes crazy after a big wreck, saying "Go low" "Go high"
> >  constantly
> >- Spotter gives bogus "Pass the #nn car" message after exiting
> >  the pits
> >- LF Camber is off in setup screen when set to 0.0
> >- Weight distribution is displayed incorrectly after certain
> >  setup changes
> >- Frame rate is awful at Martinsville
> >- Screen options are reset to SVGA before each race
> >- Noticeable pause coming out of Turn 4 on some tracks
> >- Dialup player starts inside an AI car in Multiplayer
> >- Player's car towed off track without warning in Multiplayer
> >- Dialup player cannot tow properly in Multiplayer
> >- Dialup player hangs when max opponents set to 38 in Multiplayer
> >- Dialup player locks up when exiting race in Multiplayer
> >- Some DSVD modems don't work because baud rate is limited to 19.2
> >- Get "Can't initialize modem" or "Can't initialize IPX card" when
> >  the MULTI.LST file is not present

> >There's the bug list, any more ***ings about N2's "very minor" bugs???

> - Joystick doesn't work within sim when using Windows 95 OEM B version
and any
> of the comm ports are active.
> - no anti-aliasing when using a Rendition-based card
> - no print screen option with Rendition-based cards.

> --- Frank ---