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by **Eldre** » Tue, 30 May 2000 04:00:00

>>>Oh, what kind of a setup do you use? You can send me the replay too if
>>>you like and I'll have a look.

>>What setup? YOURS!<g> It took me 8 laps just to get through a lap without
>>spinning or hitting the wall... So, it isn't the setup... :) I'll send you
>a
>>replay. Thanks.

>>Eldred

>Well that could be a large part of your problem. Greger's driving
>style (and all the top hotlappers for that matter) is pretty extreme
>to get the fastest possible laps, and his setups are no doubt tuned to
>squeeze the utmost out of his abilities.

>If you use his setups verbatim you'll have all sorts of problems
>maintaining any kind of speed. I find I usually scale 1% back on the
>brake bias and stiffen up the front end a bit, as well as lengthen 1
>or 2 gears a bit. Just my preference but it keeps me on the road.

You know, I'm not even sure *how* to deal with the gears. With the clutches,
it's not just simple increasing the number like in Nascar, is it?

Actually, I *do* have a split-axis, but I'm not left-foot braking yet. That's
on my list of things to learn...<g>

Eldred

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by **Greger Hut** » Tue, 30 May 2000 04:00:00

>Huttu) writes:

>>>same line at Greger at about 30mph slower, but at SPEED? I *already* feel
>>like
>>>I'm on the edge... Is there any mental idea that I'm missing? Something to
>>>help me get closer? Right now I'm about 17 seconds off - his lap is
>>3:12.xx,
>>>mine is 3:29.xx, both in an Eagle. I'd be happy to get down below 3:20 or
>>so.
>>>I need a magic bullet<g>

>>Oh, what kind of a setup do you use? You can send me the replay too if
>>you like and I'll have a look.

>What setup? YOURS!<g> It took me 8 laps just to get through a lap without
>spinning or hitting the wall... So, it isn't the setup... :) I'll send you a
>replay. Thanks.

Ok, the setup should be fine then. :) It might not suit your driving
style though, because some people say that my setups are too loose.

I sent you some comments in the mail, and believe me, you're not on
the edge yet. You can do that 3:20 at least.

- Greger
http://www.kolumbus.fi/ghuttu/

by **Andre Warrin** » Tue, 30 May 2000 04:00:00

I was just about to ask you that Eldred. I think we can give you a lot
more help after seeing one of your replays. I'm not the fastest one on
Spa, 1:18 with the Lotus, but I'm sure I can help you a little bit
after watching your replay.

Andre

by **Michael Youn** » Tue, 30 May 2000 04:00:00

Yes, and you need about 1-1/2 laps to get the tires to race temp's too.
You're looking for the limit of what the car will do, and you can't do that
on cold tires. It's a shame you can't save a snapshot of a good run out of
Malmedy, and pick up there again to practice.

Michael.

by **Peter Ive** » Wed, 31 May 2000 04:00:00

No such thing. Just work at it like the rest of us. Hehe.

A couple of tips I've picked up one recently.

Don't try and be 5+ mph faster through every corner. You may not
realise this but up to just a couple of mph faster per corner- which is
hardly noticeable - can cut a lap time by over a second and more.
Don't try to cut big chunks out of your PBs.

Try playing with your controller's linearity setting. I discovered
recently that moving it more to non-linear actually gave me more
control. I discovered that I had been over-driving before causing big
opposite-lock corrections and more crashes. I've now found that I
can be just as quick, in fact quicker, whilst being more smooth and
with fewer crashes.

And one final tip for Spa itself. At Burneville don't bother to stick to
the driving line that is shown. Drive inside it until the corner starts to
tighten up. Too many times have I been online behind drivers who
think they can be quicker if they take that corner wider and yet I'm on
the inside line and having to back off. You should be able to go full
throttle until the corner tightens, no trouble.

And to qualify all this info, PB of 3:16.5 in Lotus though it was a
messy lap, but I couldn't be bothered to work on it anymore. It was
an improvement over my previous and that was enough until the next
time I practice there. :)
--
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No person's opinions can be said to be
more correct than another's, because each is
the sole judge of his or her own experience.

by **Eldre** » Wed, 31 May 2000 04:00:00

I've had that happen a lot with Greger's setup. Start sliding, and correct -
right into the opposite wall. Very painful...
Since it's happened more since I got the setup, I figured that was the culprit.
Doesn't changing the linearity cause a larger dead zone?

Eldred
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by **Chuck Anderse** » Wed, 31 May 2000 04:00:00

: I was just about to ask you that Eldred. I think we can give you a lot
: more help after seeing one of your replays. I'm not the fastest one on
: Spa, 1:18 with the Lotus, but I'm sure I can help you a little bit
: after watching your replay.
: Andre

Andre,
You can help him way more than a little bit if you are running 1:18
at Spa. :)
Chuck

by **Eldre** » Thu, 01 Jun 2000 04:00:00

>: I was just about to ask you that Eldred. I think we can give you a lot
>: more help after seeing one of your replays. I'm not the fastest one on
>: Spa, 1:18 with the Lotus, but I'm sure I can help you a little bit
>: after watching your replay.
>: Andre

>Andre,
>You can help him way more than a little bit if you are running 1:18
>at Spa. :)
>Chuck

I saw that, but I was gonna let it go.<g>
But, I'd settle for being able to run a 3:18, or 3:20's *consistently*...

Eldred
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by **Andre Warrin** » Thu, 01 Jun 2000 04:00:00

I find Spa one of the easiest tracks to drive consistently, the only
place where I***up sometimes is the masta, when I try to overdo
it. But in an online race I just back off a little bit more before
Masta. Costs me a couple of tenths but that way I won't overdo Masta.

Has anyone ever completed (and won) a 2 hour race on Monaco against
the AI by the way? I think 20 fast laps on Monaco without crashing is
the best I ever did, so many fatal places there...

Andre

by **Steve Garrot** » Thu, 01 Jun 2000 04:00:00

"just broken into the 23s in the BRM" I am not worthy!

Very impressive! I mean the BRM is like a big ol' pig.

Can you send me the setup for your BRM that you broke into the 23s
with? I would love to compare it.

SLG

>ce.aol.com>:

>>The biggest differences are Eau Rouge(28mph), Masta(17mph), Stavelot(24mph on
>>entry), Blanchimont(29mph).

>Oh....you mean any place where the track turns ?

>>I'm on the edge... Is there any mental idea that I'm missing? Something to
>>help me get closer? Right now I'm about 17 seconds off - his lap is 3:12.xx,
>>mine is 3:29.xx, both in an Eagle. I'd be happy to get down below 3:20 or so.
>>I need a magic bullet<g>

>I've been practicing nothing but Spa for the last two weeks and I've found it
>THE most difficult track to get a handle on. I think it's because it's so fast,
>the car is closer to the edge, and the margin from being in control, to out of
>control is narrower. I don't know really. I've just broken into the 23s in the
>BRM, and people are down in the 18 second range, one even in the 17s. There are
>also some major elevation and g-force things happening that we again can't
>feel, and I don't sense, that make it tricky. Malmedy is my worst corner, it
>seems like every lap is a ***shoot, as to whether I'm going to make it
>without a crash. But, my times are incrementally coming down. Practice,
>practice, practice.

>>Eldred

>--
>Don Scurlock
>Vancouver,B.C.

(All spelling errors are intentional and are there to show new
and improved ways of spelling old words. Grammatical errors are
due to too many English classes/teachers)

by **Peter Ive** » Thu, 01 Jun 2000 04:00:00

>>I saw that, but I was gonna let it go.<g>
>>But, I'd settle for being able to run a 3:18, or 3:20's *consistently*...

>I find Spa one of the easiest tracks to drive consistently, the only
>place where I***up sometimes is the masta, when I try to overdo
>it. But in an online race I just back off a little bit more before
>Masta. Costs me a couple of tenths but that way I won't overdo Masta.

>Has anyone ever completed (and won) a 2 hour race on Monaco against
>the AI by the way? I think 20 fast laps on Monaco without crashing is
>the best I ever did, so many fatal places there...

I'm sure there are some... but only some. I've finished a few full
length races in the past but funnily enough Monaco is not one of
them. Blink too long and you might as well start praying that you've
still got 4 wheels left after the car goes somewhere it wasn't
supposed to.

I can hammer it through the chicane 5 laps out of 6 no problem and
then, for some strange reason, on the 6th lap the car decides it
wants to try and get through sideways. Instant heart palpatations and
swearing. After that it's time to watch the race from the stands.
--
Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington)

No person's opinions can be said to be
more correct than another's, because each is
the sole judge of his or her own experience.

by **Eldre** » Thu, 01 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Wow, I might have you beat. I did 22 laps - until the chicane reached out and
grabbed me...<g>

Eldred
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by **Don Scurlo** » Thu, 01 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Go here: http://www.racesimcentral.net/
then go to the chassis section for setups from the REALLY
fast guys 17s and 18s in the BRM. Thats where I get my setups.
Unfortunately, it's not the setup that gets you there ;-)

>"just broken into the 23s in the BRM" I am not worthy!

>Very impressive! I mean the BRM is like a big ol' pig.

>Can you send me the setup for your BRM that you broke into the 23s
>with? I would love to compare it.

>SLG

>>>The biggest differences are Eau Rouge(28mph), Masta(17mph),
>>>Stavelot(24mph on entry), Blanchimont(29mph).

>>Oh....you mean any place where the track turns ?

>>>I'm on the edge... Is there any mental idea that I'm missing?
>>>Something to help me get closer? Right now I'm about 17 seconds
>>>off - his lap is 3:12.xx, mine is 3:29.xx, both in an Eagle. I'd
>>>be happy to get down below 3:20 or so. I need a magic bullet<g>

>>I've been practicing nothing but Spa for the last two weeks and
>>I've found it THE most difficult track to get a handle on. I think
>>it's because it's so fast, the car is closer to the edge, and the
>>margin from being in control, to out of control is narrower. I
>>don't know really. I've just broken into the 23s in the BRM, and
>>people are down in the 18 second range, one even in the 17s. There
>>are also some major elevation and g-force things happening that we
>>again can't feel, and I don't sense, that make it tricky. Malmedy
>>is my worst corner, it seems like every lap is a ***shoot, as to
>>whether I'm going to make it without a crash. But, my times are
>>incrementally coming down. Practice, practice, practice.

>>>Eldred

>>--
>>Don Scurlock
>>Vancouver,B.C.

>(All spelling errors are intentional and are there to show new
>and improved ways of spelling old words. Grammatical errors are
>due to too many English classes/teachers)

--
Don Scurlock
Vancouver,B.C.

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