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OT: German Oval

Olav K. Malm

OT: German Oval

by Olav K. Malm » Thu, 06 Sep 2001 19:43:01





> > >   I finally saw some pictures of the Lauritz ring...it's big flat
> > > tri-oval...more in the line of what could be termed a Roval.(somewhat
> > > similar to Pocono)  Cart's next event is there....I Wonder how the
> > > Germans will take to the event?

> > God knows. CART have scored a huge own-goal by preventing Eurosport from
> > showing either race live.

> Well, I love the decision as it's broadcast by ARD (German public television),
> so NO commercials... ;) Of course, I hope that this is not the only European
> TV station broadcasting the race.

A said in the post I made 1 minute ago. Swedish television will also
cover the races live with no commercial brakes. If Eurosport was to
send the races live, I sure wouldn't watch their coverage which
usually is very poor on the commentator side of it.

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Mikkel Gram-Hanse

OT: German Oval

by Mikkel Gram-Hanse » Thu, 06 Sep 2001 21:23:40

Which Swedish channel... ?

Mikkel







> > > >   I finally saw some pictures of the Lauritz ring...it's big flat
> > > > tri-oval...more in the line of what could be termed a
Roval.(somewhat
> > > > similar to Pocono)  Cart's next event is there....I Wonder how the
> > > > Germans will take to the event?

> > > God knows. CART have scored a huge own-goal by preventing Eurosport
from
> > > showing either race live.

> > Well, I love the decision as it's broadcast by ARD (German public
television),
> > so NO commercials... ;) Of course, I hope that this is not the only
European
> > TV station broadcasting the race.

> A said in the post I made 1 minute ago. Swedish television will also
> cover the races live with no commercial brakes. If Eurosport was to
> send the races live, I sure wouldn't watch their coverage which
> usually is very poor on the commentator side of it.

> --
> Olav K. Malmin
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Ed Solhei

OT: German Oval

by Ed Solhei » Thu, 06 Sep 2001 21:34:39

You *have* heard the guys commentating CART on SVT right?
<eg!>

ed_

"Olav K. Malmin" said:


> > I would love to attend, but unfortunatly it collide with this years
Revival
> > Meeting at Goodwood.

> > Perhaps I'll make Rockingham tho :-)

> Can't afford it I'm afraid. My newly bought apartment will take all the
> funds for this autumn.

> However: Important information for the Scandinavians on this
> newsgroup.

> Swedish SVT1 will broadcast both the european races from 13:30 to
> 16:00 live, commercial free, without Janne Tromark. It will the best
> CART coverage of the year. So for the lucky bastards who will attend,
> set your videorecorders.

> --
> Olav K. Malmin
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Olav K. Malm

OT: German Oval

by Olav K. Malm » Thu, 06 Sep 2001 21:54:05


> You *have* heard the guys commentating CART on SVT right?

Not as I remember, but I figure everything is better that our hero Tromark.

> <eg!>

> ed_

> "Olav K. Malmin" said:

> > > I would love to attend, but unfortunatly it collide with this years
> Revival
> > > Meeting at Goodwood.

> > > Perhaps I'll make Rockingham tho :-)

> > Can't afford it I'm afraid. My newly bought apartment will take all the
> > funds for this autumn.

> > However: Important information for the Scandinavians on this
> > newsgroup.

> > Swedish SVT1 will broadcast both the european races from 13:30 to
> > 16:00 live, commercial free, without Janne Tromark. It will the best
> > CART coverage of the year. So for the lucky bastards who will attend,
> > set your videorecorders.

> > --
> > Olav K. Malmin
> > remove .spam when replying

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Olav K. Malm

OT: German Oval

by Olav K. Malm » Thu, 06 Sep 2001 21:54:54


> Which Swedish channel... ?

SVT1, both races from 13:30 to 16:00. Hmm, that will be a Monza
qualifying overlap :)

> Mikkel







> > > > >   I finally saw some pictures of the Lauritz ring...it's big flat
> > > > > tri-oval...more in the line of what could be termed a
> Roval.(somewhat
> > > > > similar to Pocono)  Cart's next event is there....I Wonder how the
> > > > > Germans will take to the event?

> > > > God knows. CART have scored a huge own-goal by preventing Eurosport
> from
> > > > showing either race live.

> > > Well, I love the decision as it's broadcast by ARD (German public
> television),
> > > so NO commercials... ;) Of course, I hope that this is not the only
> European
> > > TV station broadcasting the race.

> > A said in the post I made 1 minute ago. Swedish television will also
> > cover the races live with no commercial brakes. If Eurosport was to
> > send the races live, I sure wouldn't watch their coverage which
> > usually is very poor on the commentator side of it.

> > --
> > Olav K. Malmin
> > remove .spam when replying

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Dave Henri

OT: German Oval

by Dave Henri » Thu, 06 Sep 2001 22:19:58

  yup right you are...at least from looking at a track map.  I still can't
remember what the third track-turn they copied was...
dave henrie

> Hmmm...

> I always thought that turn 2 was a copy of a turn from Indy...

> Also, wasn't there some relationship between USAC and Pocono that
prevented
> the CART cars from running there?

> Wayne Hutchison



> >   Pocono was first an Indycar track.  The turns supposedly model the big
3
> > tracks of the day...Turn one was a dead ringer for the Indy 500 track.
> Turn
> > two....I forget...:)  and turn 3 was tight like Milwaukee.
> >   However the Pocono  track was way too bumpy due to the cold winters
and
> > the Indy/Champ cars don't race there anymore.
> >   I think Al Unser Sr. was the only guy to win all three 500 mile events
> in
> > one year....Indy, Pocono, and Ontario.
> > (or that may have been in one calendar year spread over two seasons)



> > > Pocono is a 'tuff' track with out really any banking! It is less
> > > then 2hrs from me. I always wondered why they designed it
> > > this way? Anyone?

Thoma

OT: German Oval

by Thoma » Fri, 07 Sep 2001 05:29:26

Bye bye Monza, then ;o)
Too bad I haven't got SVT1 though...




> > Which Swedish channel... ?

> SVT1, both races from 13:30 to 16:00. Hmm, that will be a Monza
> qualifying overlap :)

> > Mikkel







> > > > > >   I finally saw some pictures of the Lauritz ring...it's big
flat
> > > > > > tri-oval...more in the line of what could be termed a
> > Roval.(somewhat
> > > > > > similar to Pocono)  Cart's next event is there....I Wonder how
the
> > > > > > Germans will take to the event?

> > > > > God knows. CART have scored a huge own-goal by preventing
Eurosport
> > from
> > > > > showing either race live.

> > > > Well, I love the decision as it's broadcast by ARD (German public
> > television),
> > > > so NO commercials... ;) Of course, I hope that this is not the only
> > European
> > > > TV station broadcasting the race.

> > > A said in the post I made 1 minute ago. Swedish television will also
> > > cover the races live with no commercial brakes. If Eurosport was to
> > > send the races live, I sure wouldn't watch their coverage which
> > > usually is very poor on the commentator side of it.

> > > --
> > > Olav K. Malmin
> > > remove .spam when replying

> --
> Olav K. Malmin
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Ronald Stoeh

OT: German Oval

by Ronald Stoeh » Fri, 07 Sep 2001 05:48:23



> > Which Swedish channel... ?

> SVT1, both races from 13:30 to 16:00. Hmm, that will be a Monza
> qualifying overlap :)

Yeah, I'm going to abuse my TV remote more than usual that day...

Of course, Murphy tells me that I'll be on the wrong channel
everytime something exciting happens! ;)

That's similar to the cool sounding feature of the German
pay tv channel "Premiere". Six (or more) cameras to choose
from! But how big are the chances you're always looking at the
wrong one...

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John Bod

OT: German Oval

by John Bod » Fri, 07 Sep 2001 06:16:38

I don't think there were any USAC issues, but I do believe that the
wreck that nearly ended Rick Mears' career at Pocono had a lot to do
with why Indy cars quit racing at Pocono.  There was a huge need for
infrastructure improvements -- like replacing the armco with proper
barriers for open-wheelers -- and Pocono never got around to doing any
of that.

-- JB

On Tue, 4 Sep 2001 18:35:08 -0400, "Wayne Hutchison"


>Hmmm...

>I always thought that turn 2 was a copy of a turn from Indy...

>Also, wasn't there some relationship between USAC and Pocono that prevented
>the CART cars from running there?

>Wayne Hutchison



>>   Pocono was first an Indycar track.  The turns supposedly model the big 3
>> tracks of the day...Turn one was a dead ringer for the Indy 500 track.
>Turn
>> two....I forget...:)  and turn 3 was tight like Milwaukee.
>>   However the Pocono  track was way too bumpy due to the cold winters and
>> the Indy/Champ cars don't race there anymore.
>>   I think Al Unser Sr. was the only guy to win all three 500 mile events
>in
>> one year....Indy, Pocono, and Ontario.
>> (or that may have been in one calendar year spread over two seasons)



>> > Pocono is a 'tuff' track with out really any banking! It is less
>> > then 2hrs from me. I always wondered why they designed it
>> > this way? Anyone?

Dave Henri

OT: German Oval

by Dave Henri » Fri, 07 Sep 2001 10:31:02

  ok  good to know...but....
what the heck is the third track featured in the Pocono turns?  Trenton?
Ontario?  Daytona?  I can't find any info.
dave (inquiring minds want to know) henrie

> I don't think there were any USAC issues, but I do believe that the
> wreck that nearly ended Rick Mears' career at Pocono had a lot to do
> with why Indy cars quit racing at Pocono.  There was a huge need for
> infrastructure improvements -- like replacing the armco with proper
> barriers for open-wheelers -- and Pocono never got around to doing any
> of that.

> -- JB

> On Tue, 4 Sep 2001 18:35:08 -0400, "Wayne Hutchison"

> >Hmmm...

> >I always thought that turn 2 was a copy of a turn from Indy...

> >Also, wasn't there some relationship between USAC and Pocono that
prevented
> >the CART cars from running there?

> >Wayne Hutchison



> >>   Pocono was first an Indycar track.  The turns supposedly model the
big 3
> >> tracks of the day...Turn one was a dead ringer for the Indy 500 track.
> >Turn
> >> two....I forget...:)  and turn 3 was tight like Milwaukee.
> >>   However the Pocono  track was way too bumpy due to the cold winters
and
> >> the Indy/Champ cars don't race there anymore.
> >>   I think Al Unser Sr. was the only guy to win all three 500 mile
events
> >in
> >> one year....Indy, Pocono, and Ontario.
> >> (or that may have been in one calendar year spread over two seasons)



> >> > Pocono is a 'tuff' track with out really any banking! It is less
> >> > then 2hrs from me. I always wondered why they designed it
> >> > this way? Anyone?

Olav K. Malm

OT: German Oval

by Olav K. Malm » Fri, 07 Sep 2001 16:49:38




> > > Which Swedish channel... ?

> > SVT1, both races from 13:30 to 16:00. Hmm, that will be a Monza
> > qualifying overlap :)

> Yeah, I'm going to abuse my TV remote more than usual that day...

> Of course, Murphy tells me that I'll be on the wrong channel
> everytime something exciting happens! ;)

> That's similar to the cool sounding feature of the German
> pay tv channel "Premiere". Six (or more) cameras to choose
> from! But how big are the chances you're always looking at the
> wrong one...

I got that multichannel digital coverage too, and the answer is always
:) However, the guy doing the commentating is not only one of the best
motorsports commentators out there since Ben Edwards, but also keeps
very good track of what is happening on the different channels. But I
guess the first half hour of the cart coverage is pre-race anyway, so
my VCR will handle that.

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Ed Solhei

OT: German Oval

by Ed Solhei » Fri, 07 Sep 2001 21:56:24

You actually prefer to watch the extremely o so boring F1 *qualifying* over
live (heck even taped will do) CART ??

Olav - it's time for another medical check-up my man...   This time go see
the shrink aswell!

:-)

F1....  BLAAAAAAAAAHH!

--
ed_

Olav K. Malm

OT: German Oval

by Olav K. Malm » Fri, 07 Sep 2001 22:05:42


> You actually prefer to watch the extremely o so boring F1 *qualifying* over
> live (heck even taped will do) CART ??

> Olav - it's time for another medical check-up my man...   This time go see
> the shrink aswell!

> :-)

> F1....  BLAAAAAAAAAHH!

Hehe, but read it one more time. The overlap is probably during a CART
prerace program of some sorts, so some switching back and forth will
probably do no harm. My VCR is set for CART anyway. But I pay good
money for the F1 coverage (where is that shrink again) so deciding not
to watch is money out the window :)

And if there is something exciting in F1 nowdays it's the qualifying
session. Specially when the onboard channel is on Montoya's car.
{MODE, start}

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John Bod

OT: German Oval

by John Bod » Sat, 08 Sep 2001 03:13:29

Not 100% sure about the turns, but I did find this:

"Designed by two-time Indianapolis 500 winner Roger Ward, the raceway
is a tri-oval and features only three curves instead of the usual
four, each banked differently: a high-banked curve for stock cars, a
flat one for Indy cars and a mid-banked curve with a pitch that falls
between the other two. Because of the nature of the countryside and
its lack of symmetry, each curve, as well as three straightaways of
varied lengths, poses a challenge for drivers. Track investors
originally were hoping for a design similar to Daytona's or
Indianapolis' Motor Speedway, a goal that proved impossible to
accomplish. But Pocono Raceway provides an unmatched test of both
equipment and driver skill because race cars cannot be set up for any
one set of conditions; Pocono Raceway has them all."

Here's the full link:

http://www.academybb.com/PoconoRaceway.html

And here's another VERY good link about Pocono:

http://www.poconoraceway.com/history.html

Apparently the CART-USAC fight did bring some financial hard times to
Pocono, too . . . but I have always heard that it was the
infrastructure and the potential for serious injuries that Mears
suffered that really drove Indy cars away.  

-- JB



>  ok  good to know...but....
>what the heck is the third track featured in the Pocono turns?  Trenton?
>Ontario?  Daytona?  I can't find any info.
>dave (inquiring minds want to know) henrie


>> I don't think there were any USAC issues, but I do believe that the
>> wreck that nearly ended Rick Mears' career at Pocono had a lot to do
>> with why Indy cars quit racing at Pocono.  There was a huge need for
>> infrastructure improvements -- like replacing the armco with proper
>> barriers for open-wheelers -- and Pocono never got around to doing any
>> of that.

>> -- JB

>> On Tue, 4 Sep 2001 18:35:08 -0400, "Wayne Hutchison"

>> >Hmmm...

>> >I always thought that turn 2 was a copy of a turn from Indy...

>> >Also, wasn't there some relationship between USAC and Pocono that
>prevented
>> >the CART cars from running there?

>> >Wayne Hutchison



>> >>   Pocono was first an Indycar track.  The turns supposedly model the
>big 3
>> >> tracks of the day...Turn one was a dead ringer for the Indy 500 track.
>> >Turn
>> >> two....I forget...:)  and turn 3 was tight like Milwaukee.
>> >>   However the Pocono  track was way too bumpy due to the cold winters
>and
>> >> the Indy/Champ cars don't race there anymore.
>> >>   I think Al Unser Sr. was the only guy to win all three 500 mile
>events
>> >in
>> >> one year....Indy, Pocono, and Ontario.
>> >> (or that may have been in one calendar year spread over two seasons)



>> >> > Pocono is a 'tuff' track with out really any banking! It is less
>> >> > then 2hrs from me. I always wondered why they designed it
>> >> > this way? Anyone?

Biz

OT: German Oval

by Biz » Wed, 12 Sep 2001 06:25:30

From the way it drives in the sims, I say that other turn is most like
Darlington....anyone agree?

--
Biz

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alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
the....." - Ash


>   ok  good to know...but....
> what the heck is the third track featured in the Pocono turns?  Trenton?
> Ontario?  Daytona?  I can't find any info.
> dave (inquiring minds want to know) henrie


> > I don't think there were any USAC issues, but I do believe that the
> > wreck that nearly ended Rick Mears' career at Pocono had a lot to do
> > with why Indy cars quit racing at Pocono.  There was a huge need for
> > infrastructure improvements -- like replacing the armco with proper
> > barriers for open-wheelers -- and Pocono never got around to doing any
> > of that.

> > -- JB

> > On Tue, 4 Sep 2001 18:35:08 -0400, "Wayne Hutchison"

> > >Hmmm...

> > >I always thought that turn 2 was a copy of a turn from Indy...

> > >Also, wasn't there some relationship between USAC and Pocono that
> prevented
> > >the CART cars from running there?

> > >Wayne Hutchison



> > >>   Pocono was first an Indycar track.  The turns supposedly model the
> big 3
> > >> tracks of the day...Turn one was a dead ringer for the Indy 500
track.
> > >Turn
> > >> two....I forget...:)  and turn 3 was tight like Milwaukee.
> > >>   However the Pocono  track was way too bumpy due to the cold winters
> and
> > >> the Indy/Champ cars don't race there anymore.
> > >>   I think Al Unser Sr. was the only guy to win all three 500 mile
> events
> > >in
> > >> one year....Indy, Pocono, and Ontario.
> > >> (or that may have been in one calendar year spread over two seasons)



> > >> > Pocono is a 'tuff' track with out really any banking! It is less
> > >> > then 2hrs from me. I always wondered why they designed it
> > >> > this way? Anyone?


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