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OT: Nascar Investigation a Diversion.

Edward_

OT: Nascar Investigation a Diversion.

by Edward_ » Fri, 24 Aug 2001 09:39:17

Conversation overheard in the geerage......
Bubba, "Hey Billy Joe Bob, you gonna use this here HANS deevice"
BJB "Hell no Bubba, how the hell we s'posed to drive with our hands all tied
up and reestricted"
Bubba "oh yea, never thought of that,.....well how's them CART fellas do
it?"
BJB "Theys special Bubba, theys real race car drivers!"

EC (with tongue in cheek) ;-)

Robin Lor

OT: Nascar Investigation a Diversion.

by Robin Lor » Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:57:55

Rik, i was not suggesting that you should let go of the wheel just 'cause
you think you are going to crash -that would be very foolish, and of course
you will crash then. Only that if impact is inevitable letting go the very
split second before impact, of course if it all happened very fast you may
not have time to think about and/or do this anyway.

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Dave Cas

OT: Nascar Investigation a Diversion.

by Dave Cas » Fri, 24 Aug 2001 19:36:13

Rusty said he did it in his crash at Pocono a couple of years ago.  When he
sees it coming, he pulls his hands to his chest and leans forward and down so
as to lessen the room he will travel when he hits the end of give in his
belts.

Dave Casey
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Dave Cas

OT: Nascar Investigation a Diversion.

by Dave Cas » Fri, 24 Aug 2001 19:39:19

Entirely your choice.  When I was driving five-ton trucks in the military we
were all taught to keep our thumbs outside the steering wheel.  Those that
have driven these trucks know how *** the wheel can be when driving over
uneven terrain.  The spokes would take your thumbs clean off if you weren't
careful.

Dave Casey
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Dave Cas

OT: Nascar Investigation a Diversion.

by Dave Cas » Fri, 24 Aug 2001 19:45:52

A steering wheel is a steering wheel, no matter what vehicle it's in.  In an
unavoidable crash, you are always better off letting go of the wheel.  One
thing this will do is keep you from straightening your arms and getting them
broke into a million pieces.  Why do you think pro drivers will pull their
arms and legs up towards their chests?  They don't want to involuntarily
make the mistake of bracing them for the impact.  If you are worried about
your arms flailing around then reach up and grab ahold of your seatbelt in the
center of your chest.  This assumes you have enough brains to be wearing a
seatbelt.

Dave Casey
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Norman Blac

OT: Nascar Investigation a Diversion.

by Norman Blac » Sat, 25 Aug 2001 09:27:45

Could not agree more...

Anyone who drives off road, and has a brain, or has learned from others,
keeps their thumbs outside the wheel. Even at 2mph you can break your hand
when a wheel hits a rock/rut/whatever bad. If you hold the wheel like
superman, then you bend/break stering linkages, by not letting the wheel
move due to the impuse of the rock/rut/whatever.

Norman

J. Todd Wass

OT: Nascar Investigation a Diversion.

by J. Todd Wass » Sat, 25 Aug 2001 09:32:49

  I think what people are referring to is when it's already too late.  You know
you're going to hit the wall, it's coming, what do you do in that last instant?
 I heard the same thing other's heard by an Indycar driver, they let go, take
your feet off the pedals, etc., or you break your thumbs and wrists, *in
addition* to whatever else is going to be broken anyway.

Todd Wasson
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Asbj?rn Bj?rnst

OT: Nascar Investigation a Diversion.

by Asbj?rn Bj?rnst » Sat, 25 Aug 2001 10:57:35


> Anyone who drives off road, and has a brain, or has learned from others,
> keeps their thumbs outside the wheel. Even at 2mph you can break your hand
> when a wheel hits a rock/rut/whatever bad. If you hold the wheel like
> superman, then you bend/break stering linkages, by not letting the wheel
> move due to the impuse of the rock/rut/whatever.

Bah!  
When I was in the military, and drove offroad supply vehicles, I drove
with one hand on the steering wheel (It had one of thoese nice knobs.)
and the other resting on the engine bay. Never had a problem, the wheel
was smoother and had less feedback than a family saloon on a highway.
--
  -asbjxrn
Rik Anthra

OT: Nascar Investigation a Diversion.

by Rik Anthra » Sat, 25 Aug 2001 11:46:02



Right, that's in a racecar. I don't think anyone is debating that. A
personal vehicle was the topic.

JM

OT: Nascar Investigation a Diversion.

by JM » Sun, 26 Aug 2001 03:25:23


Actually the original topic was race cars.

Someone brought in their road car as an example, and then the objection was
that someone else would rather people kept a hold on the wheel when on a
public road. completely missing the point that the discussion centered on
the activities past the "point of no return" in a crash situation.

cheers
John

Rik Anthra

OT: Nascar Investigation a Diversion.

by Rik Anthra » Sun, 26 Aug 2001 12:06:24




> > Right, that's in a racecar. I don't think anyone is debating that. A
> > personal vehicle was the topic.

> Actually the original topic was race cars.

> Someone brought in their road car as an example, and then the objection
was
> that someone else would rather people kept a hold on the wheel when on a
> public road. completely missing the point that the discussion centered on
> the activities past the "point of no return" in a crash situation.

ahh, my bad.
JR McVick

OT: Nascar Investigation a Diversion.

by JR McVick » Fri, 31 Aug 2001 01:56:18

I think the whole deal with putting a black box in NASCAR is a bunch
of crap.  When you are in a *** crash I don't think that is going
to do much to save your hide!  Whats wrong with the idea of putting in
front and side airbags??  I was reading an article about it and they
were saying the reason NASCAR is doing this is so that they can learn
about crashes better and how to develop safer cars.  I doubt that....

> Hey at least they are putting a black box in the car!
> (not sure how that would've saved DE but what the hay!)

Dave Henri

OT: Nascar Investigation a Diversion.

by Dave Henri » Fri, 31 Aug 2001 02:27:42

  Cart has used the info several times for publicity purposes...i.e.  so&so
hit the wall at 150mph which generated an impact of 75g's."
  Although I'm not too convinced bragging about impact velocities is a good
idea.  However...Nascar needs to learn something about thier cars and
crashes.  I believe they have resisted the implementation of Black Boxes in
the past to limit liability.  But the old theories of building rigid boxes
to protect the driver don't seem to work anymore.  The Cart, F1 & IRL cars
have long been built on the idea of shedding parts to dissapate energy and
soften the blows to the driver.
  Indeed, the IRL drivers had many many serious injuries in their first two
years due to a faulty design in the rearmounted transmission.  It caused a
much greater amount of energy to be transmitted to the driver during rear
impacts than the cars were designed for.
  Hopefully Nascar will gather this info from the black box and design some
sort of***pit/chassis that can survive high speed impacts with walls yet,
not transfer the huge g forces directly to the driver.
dave henrie

> I think the whole deal with putting a black box in NASCAR is a bunch
> of crap.  When you are in a *** crash I don't think that is going
> to do much to save your hide!  Whats wrong with the idea of putting in
> front and side airbags??  I was reading an article about it and they
> were saying the reason NASCAR is doing this is so that they can learn
> about crashes better and how to develop safer cars.  I doubt that....





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