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GPL driving question

Maxx

GPL driving question

by Maxx » Thu, 04 Jan 2001 19:53:01



>>Instead of looking at GPLRanking, check your time as a percentage
>>of the WR time, and see how it compares to your others.
>This one is not very reliable, because at Monza the fast driver
>has much less opportunities to make a difference than at Nurburgring.

I'm not sure I quite understand, I think if you take it as a
percenrtage, it is a pretty good rule of thumb. I, and others, have
also found that once you "know" a track, practicing on other
tracks to get within your target percentage of the WR will allow
you to go back to a track and often improve without any
real conscious change. There comes a point where you
become fixed into driving a circuit the same way, taking a
few days away and running other tracks helps you come back
fresh.

Hey thats Great, over half a second in one day, and that half a second
at 1:28.60 is about equiv to a 1:32 guy getting into the 1:29s.

I can well believe it, it's also possible to to have an identical line
and be quicker, just by taking maybe a slightly slower line in
(giving you a better balance) and getting on the power earlier.

To see this the Graph function is ideal, switch on Time Difference
and see where you are really gaining and losing time (not so easy
to pick up watching the playback).

Glad I was able to help.

Maxx

Maxx

GPL driving question

by Maxx » Thu, 04 Jan 2001 20:00:53

On Wed, 3 Jan 2001 08:49:24 -0000, "Tony Whitley" <t o n y . w h i t l


><snip>
>> Generally, sliding on the exit of a corner greater than 90deg or even
>> less is not fast. Tire squeal on entry is fine, but on exit, needs to
>> be at a minumum (just enough to let you know you are going fast
>> enough).
><snip>

>Thanks Maxx, that one paragraph cut my Kyalami PB by a second (still over
>the Papy time though). In trying to go faster out of corners I was
>accelerating too soon, I followed your tip and tried waiting what seemed
>like an age before squeezing the throttle and there it was, a new PB.

>I'll just have to make the time to go through GPLEGS now.

Tim,

Yes, Kyalami is a classic "wait for it" track. An interesting
experiment for anyone here would be to do the same thing.
Run a few laps but hold back for an extra quarter to half a
second before getting back on the power, trying to avoid
anything other than the slightest hint of tire-squeal on the
exits.

I'd say this applies to almost every corner, with the possible
exception of the last one, where you need to get on the power
asap but ideally in a high gear so as not to get any wheelspin.

Most laps I see the bend  itself taken in 2G but 3G snatched 3/4
way through and used as the exit gear.

Maxx

Tony Whitle

GPL driving question

by Tony Whitle » Thu, 04 Jan 2001 21:47:35


> On Wed, 3 Jan 2001 08:49:24 -0000, "Tony Whitley" <t o n y . w h i t l

<snip>

> Tim,

I'm so grateful I'll overlook that :-)

Interesting, the last corner was where I was most aware of waiting. I was
always so desperate to gain exit speed and so accelerated too early.

I'll try that. Now if I can only master Jukskei Sweep (T3L) too then maybe
I'll get under the Papy time.

--
Tony Whitley
GPLRank +10.90

Maxx

GPL driving question

by Maxx » Thu, 04 Jan 2001 23:48:24

On Wed, 3 Jan 2001 12:47:35 -0000, "Tony Whitley" <t o n y . w h i t l


>> On Wed, 3 Jan 2001 08:49:24 -0000, "Tony Whitley" <t o n y . w h i t l

>> Tim,
>I'm so grateful I'll overlook that :-)

Oops, sorry Tony ..

Depends on your gearing, if you need to c/up to 4G just before it, try
leaving it until mid-corner. It's generally not a good idea to change
gear IN the corner, as it makes the back end go light and "come
around" slightly. In this case, that is a benefit.

If you don't do that I would certainly suggest backing out of the
throttle quite a bit as you turn in (say 50%) and not getting back on
it until just after the apex. I have also seen drivers who move well
over onto the dirt on the right before turning. That can help if you
can pull it off smoothly.

Maxx

Eldre

GPL driving question

by Eldre » Fri, 05 Jan 2001 05:50:04



Really?  Wow...it hasn't come that easily for me... :(

Eldred
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GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73

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Dave Henri

GPL driving question

by Dave Henri » Fri, 05 Jan 2001 07:10:37



> >Thanks Maxx, that one paragraph cut my Kyalami PB by a second (still over
> >the Papy time though). In trying to go faster out of corners I was
> >accelerating too soon, I followed your tip and tried waiting what seemed
> >like an age before squeezing the throttle and there it was, a new PB.

> Really?  Wow...it hasn't come that easily for me... :(

> Eldred
> --

  What he really meant was this Eldred.
'I saw your post and decided to try it out.  since I haven't put enough
effort in
at Kyalami, I started there.  The additional laps and your suggestions have
resulted in improving my lap times.'
  I learned long ago that some folks grasp this stuff very easily and others
don't.  Either that or everybody else on the planet cheats cheats
cheats...hehe
dave henrie
Eldre

GPL driving question

by Eldre » Fri, 05 Jan 2001 14:03:59






>> >Thanks Maxx, that one paragraph cut my Kyalami PB by a second (still over
>> >the Papy time though). In trying to go faster out of corners I was
>> >accelerating too soon, I followed your tip and tried waiting what seemed
>> >like an age before squeezing the throttle and there it was, a new PB.

>> Really?  Wow...it hasn't come that easily for me... :(

>> Eldred
>> --
>  What he really meant was this Eldred.
>'I saw your post and decided to try it out.  since I haven't put enough
>effort in
>at Kyalami, I started there.  The additional laps and your suggestions have
>resulted in improving my lap times.'
>  I learned long ago that some folks grasp this stuff very easily and others
>don't.  Either that or everybody else on the planet cheats cheats
>cheats...hehe

<g>
Ok, I'm just on the wrong end of the Bell curve... :(

Eldred
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Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
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Tony Whitle

GPL driving question

by Tony Whitle » Fri, 05 Jan 2001 17:59:07




> > >Thanks Maxx, that one paragraph cut my Kyalami PB by a second (still
over
> > >the Papy time though). In trying to go faster out of corners I was
> > >accelerating too soon, I followed your tip and tried waiting what
seemed
> > >like an age before squeezing the throttle and there it was, a new PB.

> > Really?  Wow...it hasn't come that easily for me... :(

> > Eldred
> > --
>   What he really meant was this Eldred.
> 'I saw your post and decided to try it out.  since I haven't put enough
> effort in
> at Kyalami, I started there.  The additional laps and your suggestions
have
> resulted in improving my lap times.'

Not true! I've had this damned game since it came out and Kyalami was one of
the first tracks I tried. Now if you'd said Monaco or Mexico you'd have been
right. This technique was a genuine eye-opener, and one that I'm trying out
at other tracks.

I'm in the latter category.

All this stuff about the engine swapper and changing the track surface made
me wonder, then I checked out one of Greger Huttu's replays and realised
that there's no substitute for talent!

--
Tony Whitley
GPLRank +10.65 (see, it's down again :)

ra300

GPL driving question

by ra300 » Tue, 09 Jan 2001 02:19:30



>Hi all,

>Can anybody give me any suggestions, about
>how to learn to slide the car around the corners?

>I mean I understand the theory, but I can't make it
>in practice and after two days of trying I don't
>feel I go anywhere. I tried at Monza, and analyzing
>tools shows that everybody is faster than me out of the
>corners, because my car is much less straight and I
>can't accelerate as early. If I try to make a good
>exit I have to slow down too much in the corner.

>Is there any methods to learn it step-by-step?

>Thanks in advance,
>Alex.

For now stick with Monza and practice turn 1.  It might be beneficial
to loosen the car up by reducing the front sway bar (or tightening the
back depending on springs).  You might also try adding some negative
camber to the backs.  The theory is that on a slide the outside rear
will be flat and the inside rear is very not flat.

FWIW I think a tighter setup is a better combo at Monza--assuming you
can slide.


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