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There are two events with Super Tourers and V8 Supercars but only
the V8 supercars race is consider the 'Great Race'.

Historically pure? Neither actually. However, the V8 supercars
have been running around Mt Panorama since around 93? But the V8's
attract a much larger crowd and viewing audience. I don't even
bother to watch the Super Tourers.

The historically pure Bathurst started 1963 and was 500 miles,
only open to production cars. These were cars that essentially
rolled off the assembly line and straight into the race, absolutely
no modifications allowed in any way. There were also different
classes which allowed competition between different price ranges
of cars. Bathurst used to be a price/performance race for manufacturers
to showcase their lates models.

Around 67 was the beginning of the legacy that remains today of
the Ford v Holden clash when Ford rolled out their GT and Holden
rolled out their Monaro and raced them on the mountain. Shortly
after was also the birth of Allan Moffat and Peter Brock in 69
which was possibly the most competitive period between two drivers
in two different manufacturers cars.

Early 70's we were hit with the Supercar scare where apparent
public outrage stopped the car manufacturers from building bullets
on wheels for the sole purpose of racing them at Bathurst. Problem
was, in order to consider the car a production car they had to roll
500 off the line and make most of them available to the general public.
Public would buy them, drive them like they were driving on Bathurst
and go splat.

V8's are more respected but that's not to say that the Super Tourers
aren't respected. They're run on different weekends so they don't
actually compete against each other.

Some drivers compete in both and it's not seen as a bad thing.

Cheers,
Rod.

Not true. The VW won it's class but was not the outright winner. The
VW only completed 116 laps. The only car that went the full distance
(130 laps)  was a Cortina GT driven by Harry Firth and Bob Jan. There
were 18 other cars that completed more laps that the VW.

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Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

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I always said you should have been an Ozzie, with your love of V8 saloon
car racing, you would make the perfect immigrant to our sunny shores.. <G>
BTW, when are you coming down to Oz for our October V8 race on the
mountain, i am sure a few of us could find a spare room for you to park
your ***in while you are here..  
Maybe we could always arrange a trip around Larry's workshop for you, that
might intice you to head Downunder to the land where cars are cars, men are
men, women are lovely and internet connections are still stuck firmly in
the pleocine epoch era.. :)

Cheers,
Ron

Some day I'll get my ass down there, preferably in October for "The
Great Race", but being self employed in the computer business, that's
really a bad time of the year to take a couple of weeks off, so we'll
see I guess

But yes, I think I'd feel right at home down there and thx for the
compliment, no Foster's though I hope, that's only for export right, no
Aussie drinks that does he ? :-)

Oh, and visiting LP's workshop is very high on my "to do" list, I have
nothing but admiration for a guy who refused to trade in his Commodore
for the all conquering Nissan Skyline and Sierra Cossie's, and ran
Aussie engines when everyone else ran USA based engines, sounds to me
like your average regular down to earth no bullshit kinda guy, and he
knew how to drive as well :-)

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

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Larry gained a loyal following for his stand against the Sierra wizz bangs
and Yank V8's, a following that is still strong today.
As you are probably aware, Oz racing has always been centered around FORD
verses GMH (our locally produced versions that is) and when a few of the
boys started bringing Sierras into the country, simply to be at the pointy
end of the stick,  (sorta a bit like the guys on VROC that will only drive
a Lotus or Eagle) <G>  then the racing scene here got ugly for a couple of
years.  Freddy Gibson for the Nissan team brought in Godzilla and
immediatley walked away with every title there was to win, as how the heck
can a rear wheel drive V8 family saloon car keep up and compete with a twin
turbo'd 4wd, especially when it came to the wet, then Jimmy wondered why
everyone gave him a bum rap when he brought it home at Bathurst in top
spot.
I was at the mountain that year, and Jimmy's words still echo in my mind.
<G>
As the "boos" & "hisses" echoed around the presentation area, Jimmy calmly
walked up to the microphone and those famous words, now penned in Ozzie
motor racing history, were proclaimed for all to hear...

"You are nothing but a bunch of arseholes."

Ah, how the memories come flooding back of those wet and sleepless nights
we spent on top of the mountain.. :))
Sheesh, i'm getting old..

Cheers,
Ron

I usually have a glass, or more, of Captain Morgan's Black Label myself,
with a bit of coke to take the edge off of it you see :-)

From what little footage I've seen, it looks like people are having fun
up there at least :-)

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

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