rec.autos.simulators

There had been been a posting on this very subject many, many months
back...

I am not so sure about goggles like are worn by the drivers in GPL - I
haven't worn those but have worn many full face helmets with the visor
down on motorbikes.  I don't recall a lens flare from that, however
there certainly was a lot of defraction of light from headlights because
of scratches in the visor, etc.

Nascar drivers *do not* get lens flare!!  They may get sun shining in
their eyes which makes visibility difficult.  The in car camera will get
buckets of lens flare since the light pouring into the car goes directly
into the camera lens and the image is then broadcast.

Note that ymenard referred to sun glare - everybody gets this no matter
what: look into the sun, even with a tinted visor and you will most
likely have to squint -- he may have meant to discuss the Lens Flare
depicted in F1RS, however.  It would be more accurate in F1RS to not
show the Lens Flare from the driver view, and show it from all the
camera views.

The discussion is moot in GPL - I have never seen the sun at any
course!  Kyalami seems nice and bright but I can't tell where it is
coming from because there are no shadows and no evident shining sphere.
Mosport feels like it is about the snow!

Cheers,
Gian.

Tel
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I do know how cars handle but I'll just go along with you anyway.

Did you not understand my question about the***pit/chase view, or did you
just try to avoid answering it? Changing from the chase view to***pit view
has a huge effect on the frame rate. People insisted it was the physics/AI
calulations which sapped the CPU. Apparently not. The graphics engine is
responsible for all those frames that are lost. The same physics/AI
calculations are going on regardless of which view you use.

David G Fisher

David Hudson
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Lens flare, sun glare, who cares!! My original point was that it just adds
to the illusion of actually racing. I really don't care that lens flare is
not what the human eye sees or not. It is just an effect that adds to my
enjoyment of the game. If you want to get super technical then all the
noises you hear in Nascar2 or GPL are wrong because they should be more
muffled since you are in fact wearing a helmet. And everything you see in
Nascar2 should be tinted because the visor is tinted!

Maybe not lens flare but some kind of glare. I've heard Buddy Baker enough
times say that it's real hard to drive at Atlanta in the fall because of all
the glare of the setting sun.

l8er
ronny

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Toys'R'Us '99: "So, would you like a hand gun with that action figure,
kiddo?"

          |\      _,,,---,,_        I want to die like my Grandfather,
   ZZZzz /,`.-'`'    -.  ;-;;,_              in his sleep.
        |,4-  ) )-,_. ,\ (  `'-'     Not like the people in his car,
       '---''(_/--'  `-'\_)            screaming their heads off!

I think the whole reason this got started is that people take exception
to your point that lens flare (at least as depicted in F1RS - I don't
have a Nascar sim) adds to the illusion of actually racing -- while it
may add to your immersion it actually detracts from mine since it is an
effect that drivers would not actually experience.  It does help to
represent a good simulation of watching racing on TV, though!  :)

Errrr... I would say that the noises *are* muffled.  Having been to a
number of current day F1 races as well as having driven race-prepped
Porsches at Watkins Glen and Mosport (plus other tracks but not ones
depicted in GPL!) I can assure you that unmuffled race exhausts are as
loud as hell and fart and bang and spit and shoot flames and all sorts
of other stuff.  GPL is nice and relatively quiet in comparison (perhaps
like wearing earplugs and a helmet?).  On the other hand, I have a
volume control on my headphones, on my speakers, in GPL menus, in Win95
menus, etc, etc. so I can adjust settings that I cannot in real life
short of bunging my ears.

Perhaps if I did have a volume control people like you could make people
like me shut up and put an end to this nonsense and my seeming
unresolved need to reply everytime someone adds to one of my posts!

Anyhoo... cheers and good luck racing!

David G Fisher