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by JC » Sun, 02 Dec 2001 08:01:38

I'll will be sure to get WAREZ ver. of TG's game!

by **Scott B. Huste** » Sun, 02 Dec 2001 08:24:22

I didn't need confirmation... I thought the IRL was pretty self evident of
such <VBG>

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> > The termination of the IRL
> > Heat project comes at the request of the Indianapolis Motor Speedway.
> > See the IRL Heat Web site for the full details:

> Another confirmation that Tony George is the devil.

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by **Asbj?rn Bj?rnst** » Sun, 02 Dec 2001 12:41:15

I am not a lawyer (thank god), but:

> Several thoughts on this:

> 2. I wonder if you are really creating a breach of contract or if this
> is just some sort of power-play. I'm suspicious, since your effort is
> non-profit and you have not entered into any contractual agreement
> with IMS.

If as they claim, they have given a company exclusive rights to make
car sims with the IRL name, another easily available sim with the same
name could be a breach of contract. Someone paid a lot of money to be
the only ones able to use the IRL name to sell more games. If they see
that anyone can get a free IRL game off the net, they will claim that
they may lose sales because of that. And that is what it all boils
down to, the almighty dollar.

Actually, the worse the game is, the more they need the license to sell
the games I think.

We're not free to do so, and we're continually violating somebody's
property. They either don't know about it or they don't mind. Why
should they? It may even build a fanbase so the license is more worth
the day a developer approches and wand to make a game. But if that
developer is paying another million to be the ONLY sim of that type,
they're going to send letter to Bodin.

Ubisoft was in the clear, the simmers were not.
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-asbjxrn

by **Will DeRiver** » Sun, 02 Dec 2001 18:43:34

To that end, i vote to have the IRL Heat project be renamed with the
appropriate names being removed and/or replaced. =)
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by **John DiFoo** » Mon, 03 Dec 2001 05:42:52

> 4. Using the logic offered, I don't see how the sim community is free
> to produce any cars, mods, tracks, etc. of anything. I think if you
> look hard enough you'll find that everything associated with
> motorsports is the intellectual property of somebody. Using the logic
> offered I find it hard to believe we're not continually breaching
> contracts or violating somebody's property.

Again-where are all the golf course owners that (should, according
to the above precedent) complain when their courses are designed
via Jack Nicklaus Golf or LINKS and posted on the net? Either
they, unlike racetrack owners, don't care (and see it as free publicity),
or there is some fundamental legalistic difference between racetrack
ownership and golf course ownership. Perhaps that's it: golf courses
can be played by most anyone (public courses like Pebble Beach
being completely accessible if you have the $$$), but you can't
exactly drive up to Daytona, pay a fee to some guy in a toll booth,
and drive onto the track. Publicity in the former, via simmed courses,
would then be seen as favorable (more greens fees), but in the latter
you can't drive it unless you are a certified professional. >shrug<
At any rate I guess we shouldn't hold our collective breath
waiting for a track design utility in any upcoming sim... :-p

John DiFool

by JM » Mon, 03 Dec 2001 06:23:09

> can be played by most anyone (public courses like Pebble Beach
> being completely accessible if you have the $$$), but you can't
> exactly drive up to Daytona, pay a fee to some guy in a toll booth,
> and drive onto the track.

you can at spa, silverstone, nurburgring...

Well, more or less anyway :D

cheers
John

by **Larr** » Mon, 03 Dec 2001 16:41:29

Creativity, squashed once again :(

by **btgos** » Wed, 05 Dec 2001 00:53:08

This is not a cool thing. The IRL has had few friends, and to pull this kind
of legal BS to one of the staunchest supporters of the IRL is just wrong.
All this will do is further anger people who are just looking for an axe to
grind with the IRL. It is very short sighted in my opinion.
--
btgoss

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> Creativity, squashed once again :(

> > I regret to inform the sim racing community and fans of the Indy
> > Racing League that the IRL Heat project has been terminated -- no
> > future updates or patches will be developed in support of this effort,
> > and the IRL Heat 2000 and IRL Heat 2001 files have been removed from
> > all Internet sources within my control. The termination of the IRL
> > Heat project comes at the request of the Indianapolis Motor Speedway.
> > See the IRL Heat Web site for the full details:

> > http://irlheat.bhmotorsports.com/

> > -- John Bodin
> > Publisher, The IRL Insider Magazine
> > http://irlinsider.adnetweb.com/

by **Eldre** » Sat, 08 Dec 2001 09:49:54

>In the legal world I know, there is what is called precedence. In order for
>them to have a case, they have to prove they made a valid attempt at
>shutting down every single occurance on the internet, or ANY other source,
>for ANY alterations in the game!

From the alleged 'legal notice':
"We are requesting that you cease and desist all activity relating to these two
games immediately. This includes any updates or patches, as well as taking the
games completely off the internet. If these actions do not happen within two
weeks from today, this matter will be turned over to our legal counsel.

Please let me know if you have any questions. "

***ing lawyers... :(
I have a question. If someone who had previously download the mod puts it up
for download, John can't be held responsible, right? I mean, he has no control
over the actions of others...
Sounds like a loophole to me...

Eldred

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by **TlgtrPr** » Mon, 10 Dec 2001 03:10:41

I've got my copy and I am not giving it back!

"Doing my daily best to***off the Left Wing Lunatic Fringe..."

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