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"Andre Warringa" <>
 >  If Jacques last name was ANY thing but Villenueve, I think he never

   simply...yes...
Can I proove it?  NO!  But the prestige of the established F1 stars will
suffer if
JPM comes right in and wins...JV has been around several years with barely a
hint
of the podium, now Montoya shows up and before he even learns the cirucuits,
he's
in a position to win.
  It's an old American sports strategy..when you are up against the
wall...PUNT!
dave henrie

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Dave, I can't believe what you're saying here..
Jos did NOT crash into Montoya on purpose, taking out himself out of
the race as well..
I can imagine that Schumi would rather see Montoya and himself taken
out of the race than Montoya becoming 1st and him becoming 2nd, but
what reason would Jos have to take out Montoya?
Jos was driving 9th at that time and with the upcoming rain Jos had a
good chance of scoring some points..

Andre

Ash

| JPM comes right in and wins...JV has been around several years with barely
a
| hint
| of the podium, now Montoya shows up and before he even learns the
cirucuits,
| he's
| in a position to win.

Why would the F1 stars suffer if Montoya comes right in and wins ?
Jenson Button had a few good races last year, even outqualifying M
Schumacher at Spa, yet no one tried to take him out. He came straight from
F3 which is a lower series than CART.
Montoya was very succesful in F 3000, he was expected to enter F1 earlier
than he did, would you be saying the same thing if he'd started being
competitive in F1 straight from F3000 rather than CART?
Why the hell does having the name Villeneuve make Jaques a less likely
target for the same alleged treatment ?

This is the biggest load of ***I've ever heard.

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Sunday was a great display of how he has got the Surtees rear ender down to
a fine art ;-)

MS

   He was just lapped by an American Series champion, his day was done, he
was toast.

  Our game, our rules...everybody plays.  :)
  The old guard drivers can pass the hat and probably cover that with pocket
cash.
Loss of Prestige plain and simple.
  And where, pray tell, is Jenson Button these days?????  (I'll give you a
hint.  It rhymes
with Jack)

  No because he would have taken the 'PROPER' path to sucess.  Instead he
chose
to run off to America and race those sloppy overweight turbocars.
  Anyone who has ANY knowledge of what Gilles meant to the sport cannot
possibly
be asking that question.....
  I've got tall boots!!  :)
dave henrie
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|   See a little bit further up in the thread...the Name Villenueve was his
| free pass.
| dave henrie


| > Ummm..Dave there is a certain matter of a world championship by JV ;)
| >
| > Ash
| >
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On similar lines, I made the Phillip Island (Victoria, Australia)
circuit for GP2 a few years back, and recently I've had a few
emails from a 'supercart' driver who's been using it.
The email I got a few days ago said he finally got to race on the
real track in real life and won the state championship, so maybe
there really is a minor advantage in knowing the track in this way.

cheers...

So was this Verstappen acting on his own?  Let's think about that .... After a
few years of mediocrity, he was even almost replaced at the beginning of this
year, he finally has a very strong drive in Malaysia.  His stock as a driver is
way up.  And he would throw this  new-found reputation out the window with a
bone-headed stunt like that because he is jealous of a former CART driver?

Or was this team orders from his boss, Tom Walkinshaw?  What on earth would he
have to gain?  I don't think the sponsors would be too thrilled to have cars
being intentionally removed from the race for such petty reasons.

Or does the *** go deeper, including Bernie Ecclestone and Max Mosley?
They are thrilled that there is new, exciting talent coming into Formula One.
And to top it off, Montoya even has ties to the U.S. because of the fans he won
running CART, a market they are eager to expand.  Also, the re-emergence of
Williams as a team to be reckoned with can only help add e***ment to the
series that has been dominated by two teams for a long time.

There have been a lot of  crashes this year - Barrichello tangling with
Frentzen at Australia, Villeneuve launching over the back of Ralf at Australia,
Barrichello bumping Ralf at Malaysia, Barrichello rear-ending Ralf at Brazil,
and now Verstappen and Montoya .... Singling out this one as being part of some
clandestine plan just doesn't make any sense.

Dave Ewing

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   His stock is soaring, yes but he just got lapped by a guy who finished
...what???
7th in the CART series last year?  (I'm guessing I don't know....)
  Ah Tom Walkinshaw...Mr Jaguar if you will recall, the many many years
prepping Le Mans and IMSA Jags.  Who owns Jaguar now?  FORD.  Who stands
to lose the LUCRATIVE BRITISH Luxury market to BMW..???
(is this starting to make sense yet?)
   What on earth would he
  Damn!  Didn't I see more of poor Jos and his ORANGE sponsor as he flew
over the top of JPM...must have replayed it 5 or 6 times..that more than
equals all
the tv exposure the Brazillian producers were giving him.
Mosley?
  Hired Guns meant to throw you off the trail of the real bosses.
  Frank Williams had sucess...look what happened to him.(cheap shot eh?)
(First turn madness)
 Villeneuve launching over the back of Ralf at Australia,
(Fist Turn madness)
Barrichello rear-ending Ralf at Brazil,
(uh...deja vu?)
  Not a clandestine plan Dave.  But think about it...here is poor ol Jos,
who, by rights
has earned his way into F1.  We now have Kimi, and Jenson and
Juan...babies...
So  now this guy who bailed on a bad Williams seat 3 years ago comes back
just
when Williams is getting it's act together again....No plan...just red...red
mist....
JPM will win...but only when his peers deem he has earned the honor...
dave henrie