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Not a banner year for sims

Mike Zamaroc

Not a banner year for sims

by Mike Zamaroc » Sat, 19 Jun 1999 04:00:00

But I wonder how well an slightly newer GPL would be - say when Lotus had
those beautiful black/gold John Player Specials - and Emmo & Mario won the
World Championships in them! Cause for me, driving a Lotus Europa then, that
was the pinnacle of my interest in F1. But now that there is no longer a
Team Lotus, I have no more interest in F1 :(



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Vinc

Not a banner year for sims

by Vinc » Sun, 20 Jun 1999 04:00:00

On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 16:09:55 -0400, "David G Fisher"


>GPL didn't sell well because it was a simulator of the 1967 F1 season. It
>was a niche product. I think Papyrus knew exactly how well it would sell. If
>it had been a simulator of modern day F1 or Nascar, it would of easily sold
>a million copies due to it's quality.

Well, the fact that it was a 1967 F1 simulator was one of the main
reasons that made me buy it, especially because I was interested in
trying the Ring and Spa in their "classic" layout :-)
Anyway, I guess that also here in Italy it didn't sell very well :-(

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David G Fishe

Not a banner year for sims

by David G Fishe » Sun, 20 Jun 1999 04:00:00



> > With Rally Championship, GP3, MPGRS3, and the Nascar titles from Papyrus
> on
> > their way, I don't see the upcoming 6 months to a year as bleak. Just
the
> > opposite.

> From a hard-core sim point of view those are fairly weak.  All those
titles
> suffer from old game engine problems (MGPRS3 and Papy's softwares) or
> vaporware (Gp3 and Rally Championship).

How are Rally Champ and GP3 weak from a "hard-core point of view"? How is
Rally Champ vaporware? There is a ton of info available about it.

David G Fisher

ymenar

Not a banner year for sims

by ymenar » Mon, 21 Jun 1999 04:00:00


Vaporware (for me) = only PR and screenshots.

GP3 is only PR.

Rally Championship has millions of screenshots and some PR.  So ? Graphics
don't make a good physic engine.  PR is just marketing ***to get
attention.  And from what we saw with last video, their physics were still
2d and pretty bad.

So, you have "better" information than the rest of us ? Im awaiting for real
facts about Rally 99.  For GPL they released a full Glen lap, a full Monza
lap, a crash at Zandy, and numbers of physics informations.  The only thing
we had in R99 is some PR saying it would be modeled in an incredible way,
where you can go where you want, yadda yadda yadda.  So tell us more if you
are in the "knowing" for the software.

Tell me David why are all the R99 screenshots made from cars going on a
straight ? Why always on a straight ? England roads are not all straight, no
?

And btw, for those who didn't know, the title will not model the World Rally
Championship cars and tracks, only the British Rally series.

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David G Fishe

Not a banner year for sims

by David G Fishe » Tue, 22 Jun 1999 04:00:00



> > How are Rally Champ and GP3 weak from a "hard-core point of view"? How
is
> > Rally Champ vaporware? There is a ton of info available about it.

> Vaporware (for me) = only PR and screenshots.

Well then everything is vaporware until it shows up on our hard drives.

There were no physics in the videos that were released so to say they were
bad is misleading. Although if you watch the video, the car you do see in
the beginning sure looks real to me.

There will be a demo when it's ready.

I have many screenshots with the cars at intersections or turns. The tracks
in the game will be the same as in real life. Do you think they are going to
release fantasy tracks that only go straight and claim them to be accurate?
Why? What racing game has ever only had straights?

There will be WRC cars which will be available in a sort of made up
championship, but not in the true simulation of the BRC series. The cars can
be seen here. http://www.racesimcentral.net/

David G Fisher

ymenar

Not a banner year for sims

by ymenar » Wed, 23 Jun 1999 04:00:00


Good point, but there is good ways to create production marketing.  1001
screenshots is not the way to go today, IMHO.  Interractivity between the
development team and the future potential buyer is.  GPL showed clearly that
to us, the racing *** market and future potential buyer of it.  First a
Monza full lap, then the full Glen***pit lap, the Zandy crash, and finally
the demo, with an additionnal track after (Monza).

Papyrus did that with the "real" N3, with a video clearly showing the
advancing of the racing physics, but now the "fake" (hehe) N3 goes this way,
they started with some screenshots, and now engine sounds, more screenshots.
No video or demo yet, still :(     .

So why did they released a video when they didn't had physics ?

Still, they are going the good way with releasing sound engines,
interractivity between the users and the development team (on some
webboards, still not here).

I have seen Rally stages of the BRS, and they are twisty.  I say at least 3
ot of 4 screenshots show the car going in a straight line, with no visible
turn at head, or turns that have a small angle, less than 15%.  The other 14
are intersection turns, mostly 90degree corners.

Since indeed all the tracks in the game are like real-life, where are those
twisty road screenshots ?

The cars will be there, there is a fantasy racing championship using them
yes as you said.  Just wanted to say this, since I know many people think
it's a simulation of WRC cars.

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