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GPL - Monza : Beating the 1:30's (About bloody time too)

Grant Reev

GPL - Monza : Beating the 1:30's (About bloody time too)

by Grant Reev » Thu, 18 Nov 1999 04:00:00


> What is the current record for Monza? I dare say Woeger has it (how does he
> do it? Especially Zandy, can't get below 1:30) Actually a link to a site
> with all the GPL records would be good.

Check out http://www.racesimcentral.net/:)
The quickest Monza time there is a 1:26.93
Peter Ive

GPL - Monza : Beating the 1:30's (About bloody time too)

by Peter Ive » Thu, 18 Nov 1999 04:00:00



<snip>
With the Ring, once you know the track well, you should be able to go
under 9 minutes just by being smooth and not attacking every corner.
I've found that some areas of the circuit are more liable to get you
than others, so I'm normally just that little bit more careful at those
points.  In particular, braking for corners when running down a hill
it's very easy for the back end to want to come round if I brake at my
normal level so I tend to brake a little earlier and smoother than
normal.

One final section that took me ages to get right was the part quite
early on, somewhere between Flugplatz and Schwedenkrauz I think, where
the car gets airborne.  I finally learnt that the best way to take this
without veering off on landing was to get the car lined up whilst easing
off slightly and then hitting the accelerator just before cresting the
rise.  This seemed to allow the car to land much more stably than any
other method that I tried.

Don't worry about redlining it unless you are on a straight, fast
section.  Just concentrate on making sure that you are in the right gear
at the right time.  If you are not in the correct gear then you will be
fooled as to how fast the car is really going which could prove
disastrous.

--
Peter Ives
(AKA Ivington)

Andre Warrin

GPL - Monza : Beating the 1:30's (About bloody time too)

by Andre Warrin » Fri, 19 Nov 1999 04:00:00

What's this, Woeger's not in the top ten???

Andre

On Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:58:03 -0500, Grant Reeve



>> What is the current record for Monza? I dare say Woeger has it (how does he
>> do it? Especially Zandy, can't get below 1:30) Actually a link to a site
>> with all the GPL records would be good.

>Check out http://get.to/gpl and prepare to weep :)
>The quickest Monza time there is a 1:26.93

Eldre

GPL - Monza : Beating the 1:30's (About bloody time too)

by Eldre » Sun, 21 Nov 1999 04:00:00


writes:

I'm stuck at mid-1:30's in the Ferarri...

1:41 at Monaco, 1:25.79 at Kyalami.  Where can I find 6 SECONDS at Monaco?

Dumb question - where IS the redline in the Ferarri (or any others for that
matter)?  I *know* the Ferarri isn't mentioned in the manual, but are the
others?

Eldred
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Eldre

GPL - Monza : Beating the 1:30's (About bloody time too)

by Eldre » Sun, 21 Nov 1999 04:00:00



>At Kyalami you may find it handy to go through most corners a gear higher
>than normal to keep up speed through the corners, it also means that it is
>far less likely that you'll spin it from high revs. I changed to using 3rd
>in turn 1, 2, 3, 4 ; 2nd in turn 5 ; 3rd for the chicane & turn 7 and then
>flat through the kink & over the line. That took my times down to 1:23.15
>from the 1:25's I was stuck in for ages.

>Hope it helps.

Which car?  Although in thinking about, I use the same gears in the Eagle or
Ferarri.
2nd in 1,2; 3rd in 3; 2nd in 4 ; 1st in 5 ; 2nd in esses & 7, then flat out.
It seems I have to slow down too much to keep it in the higher gears,
especially turn 5.
WTF am I doing wrong?
Eldred
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Eldre

GPL - Monza : Beating the 1:30's (About bloody time too)

by Eldre » Sun, 21 Nov 1999 04:00:00




>> The problem is that many people i pass after they
>> spun seems to disconnect, so I always finish last anyway :)

>Don't sell yourself short, Olav.  The person who comes last is the person who
>disconnects first - at least you're doing a full race distance.

>Cheers,

>Mark
>Reading, UK

It's still an empty feeling sometimes.  I know how he feels(being last of the
cars running).

Eldred
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Eldre

GPL - Monza : Beating the 1:30's (About bloody time too)

by Eldre » Sun, 21 Nov 1999 04:00:00




>> What is the current record for Monza? I dare say Woeger has it (how does he
>> do it? Especially Zandy, can't get below 1:30) Actually a link to a site
>> with all the GPL records would be good.

>Check out http://get.to/gpl and prepare to weep :)
>The quickest Monza time there is a 1:26.93

No problem.  I'm only about FIVE seconds off...<g>

Eldred
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Richard G Cleg

GPL - Monza : Beating the 1:30's (About bloody time too)

by Richard G Cleg » Mon, 22 Nov 1999 04:00:00

: 1:41 at Monaco, 1:25.79 at Kyalami.  Where can I find 6 SECONDS at Monaco?

  (Grin) Monaco's such a pain.  I'm sure that I could get below 1:30
if I just got a clean lap in occasionally.  The problem is that to get
to that speed I have to put my foot down so hard I average 2 spins a
lap.  The chicane after the tunnel is a nightmare.

: Dumb question - where IS the redline in the Ferarri (or any others for that
: matter)?  I *know* the Ferarri isn't mentioned in the manual, but are the
: others?

  The redline is... um... well where the red-line is.  Watch your rev
meter - it has a white line (current revs) and a red line (most revs
you've ever done).  The red line tends to be at the engine max revs
since eventually you don't quite lifte enough between changing gears
and your engine goes to max revs sending the tell tale to its max
position.

--
Richard G. Clegg       Only the mind is waving
    Networks and Non-Linear Dynamics Group
      Dept. of Mathematics, Uni. of York
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Jan Hoviu

GPL - Monza : Beating the 1:30's (About bloody time too)

by Jan Hoviu » Tue, 23 Nov 1999 04:00:00



> : 1:41 at Monaco, 1:25.79 at Kyalami.  Where can I find 6 SECONDS at Monaco?

>   (Grin) Monaco's such a pain.  I'm sure that I could get below 1:30
> if I just got a clean lap in occasionally.  The problem is that to get
> to that speed I have to put my foot down so hard I average 2 spins a
> lap.  The chicane after the tunnel is a nightmare.

> : Dumb question - where IS the redline in the Ferarri (or any others for that
> : matter)?  I *know* the Ferarri isn't mentioned in the manual, but are the
> : others?

>   The redline is... um... well where the red-line is.  Watch your rev
> meter - it has a white line (current revs) and a red line (most revs
> you've ever done).  The red line tends to be at the engine max revs
> since eventually you don't quite lifte enough between changing gears
> and your engine goes to max revs sending the tell tale to its max
> position.

I don't think this is the "red line". It's the red (or "dangerous") area where
you should start to become nervous when staying there too long. Do download the
***pits (The US-pits and the Fast lane have links to the proper site) with
red-line indication. They are great.

Jan.

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Peter Ive

GPL - Monza : Beating the 1:30's (About bloody time too)

by Peter Ive » Tue, 23 Nov 1999 04:00:00





>>At Kyalami you may find it handy to go through most corners a gear higher
>>than normal to keep up speed through the corners, it also means that it is
>>far less likely that you'll spin it from high revs. I changed to using 3rd
>>in turn 1, 2, 3, 4 ; 2nd in turn 5 ; 3rd for the chicane & turn 7 and then
>>flat through the kink & over the line. That took my times down to 1:23.15
>>from the 1:25's I was stuck in for ages.

>>Hope it helps.

>Which car?  Although in thinking about, I use the same gears in the Eagle or
>Ferarri.
>2nd in 1,2; 3rd in 3; 2nd in 4 ; 1st in 5 ; 2nd in esses & 7, then flat out.
>It seems I have to slow down too much to keep it in the higher gears,
>especially turn 5.
>WTF am I doing wrong?
>Eldred

You're not Eldred.  Well, not gears wise anyway. :-)  I use exactly the
same gearing as you in all corners in the Lotus and have managed a
1:20.3x
--
Peter Ives
(AKA Ivington)
Eldre

GPL - Monza : Beating the 1:30's (About bloody time too)

by Eldre » Mon, 29 Nov 1999 04:00:00


writes:

That track (and Zandvoort) have me too scared to apply full throttle except for
on the LONGEST straights...

Ah, I see.  I was trying to avoid over-revving the engine in the FIRST place,
and maybe find the 'sweet spot' to shift.  But, it's been a while since I've
blown an engine in a race, so the occasional slip doesn't seem to hurt much.

Eldred
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Eldre

GPL - Monza : Beating the 1:30's (About bloody time too)

by Eldre » Mon, 29 Nov 1999 04:00:00



>>>At Kyalami you may find it handy to go through most corners a gear higher
>>>than normal to keep up speed through the corners, it also means that it is
>>>far less likely that you'll spin it from high revs. I changed to using 3rd
>>>in turn 1, 2, 3, 4 ; 2nd in turn 5 ; 3rd for the chicane & turn 7 and then
>>>flat through the kink & over the line. That took my times down to 1:23.15
>>>from the 1:25's I was stuck in for ages.

>>>Hope it helps.

>>Which car?  Although in thinking about, I use the same gears in the Eagle or
>>Ferarri.
>>2nd in 1,2; 3rd in 3; 2nd in 4 ; 1st in 5 ; 2nd in esses & 7, then flat out.

>>It seems I have to slow down too much to keep it in the higher gears,
>>especially turn 5.
>>WTF am I doing wrong?
>>Eldred

>You're not Eldred.  Well, not gears wise anyway. :-)  I use exactly the
>same gearing as you in all corners in the Lotus and have managed a
>1:20.3x
>--
>Peter Ives
>(AKA Ivington)

What?!?  Son of a...
Rats, back to the track.  I gotta find another 5 seconds...<g>

Eldred
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Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999
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Uwe Schuerka

GPL - Monza : Beating the 1:30's (About bloody time too)

by Uwe Schuerka » Mon, 29 Nov 1999 04:00:00



>writes:

>>: 1:41 at Monaco, 1:25.79 at Kyalami.  Where can I find 6 SECONDS at Monaco?

>>  (Grin) Monaco's such a pain.  I'm sure that I could get below 1:30
>>if I just got a clean lap in occasionally.  The problem is that to get
>>to that speed I have to put my foot down so hard I average 2 spins a
>>lap.  The chicane after the tunnel is a nightmare.

>That track (and Zandvoort) have me too scared to apply full throttle except for
>on the LONGEST straights...

Too bad the chicane is essential ;-) What helped me crack
the 1:30 in Monaco (in the Brabham) is looking further ahead
down the harbour after the chicane. Might be psychology, but
it really helped me pointing the car the right way and then
nailing the pedal down to go through it at full power.

Hope this helps,

Uwe

--
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Peter Ive

GPL - Monza : Beating the 1:30's (About bloody time too)

by Peter Ive » Tue, 30 Nov 1999 04:00:00





<snip>

>>You're not Eldred.  Well, not gears wise anyway. :-)  I use exactly the
>>same gearing as you in all corners in the Lotus and have managed a
>>1:20.3x
>>--
>>Peter Ives
>>(AKA Ivington)

>What?!?  Son of a...
>Rats, back to the track.  I gotta find another 5 seconds...<g>

Never mind about finding 5 seconds at Kayalami.  Now get back to
improving your times on Monza and I don't want to hear another
word...<g>
--
Peter Ives
(AKA Ivington)

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