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by **Eldre** » Tue, 27 Mar 2001 00:27:10

I'm in the process of building a new system. Athlon 1.1G, V5 video, etc. I
powered it on - it doesn't work(no bootno display, no beep). I tried the ram
and video in another system, they work fine. That leaves either the system
board or CPU. When I turn on the system, the lights on the keyboard flash,
then go out like normal. After that, hitting capslock or scroll lock don't
turn on the associated lights. The fact that the lights come on in the first
place tells me that the system board is going through at least PART of the
POST, so the CPU is the problem. Does that seem like an accurate assessment?
This pisses me off - I was looking forward to being able to run GP3 and F12K,
and running GPL with all the details on...

Eldred
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by **Don Burnett** » Tue, 27 Mar 2001 00:37:42

Make sure your not shorting your mb out with the mounting screws. If you
can, remove the screws and see if it will power up - if so, you have one
shorting out somehow - add each one back in one at a time and try booting
till you find the culprit.
I had this problem when I built my first system, and it about drove me nuts
till I figured out I was shorting the mb.

--
Don Burnette
D Burnette in N4

Some people do nothing wrong.
The problem is, they do nothing.
And THAT is wrong.

by **Don Burnett** » Tue, 27 Mar 2001 00:40:38

You can also try booting with just your video card in, if that works then
you may have a conflict somewhere, add your pci cards one at a time and let
windows assign resources individually.

--
Don Burnette
D Burnette in N4

Some people do nothing wrong.
The problem is, they do nothing.
And THAT is wrong.

> Make sure your not shorting your mb out with the mounting screws. If you
> can, remove the screws and see if it will power up - if so, you have one
> shorting out somehow - add each one back in one at a time and try booting
> till you find the culprit.
> I had this problem when I built my first system, and it about drove me
nuts
> till I figured out I was shorting the mb.

> --
> Don Burnette
> D Burnette in N4

> Some people do nothing wrong.
> The problem is, they do nothing.
> And THAT is wrong.

> > I'm in the process of building a new system. Athlon 1.1G, V5 video,
etc.
> I
> > powered it on - it doesn't work(no bootno display, no beep). I tried
the
> ram
> > and video in another system, they work fine. That leaves either the
> system
> > board or CPU. When I turn on the system, the lights on the keyboard
> flash,
> > then go out like normal. After that, hitting capslock or scroll lock
> don't
> > turn on the associated lights. The fact that the lights come on in the
> first
> > place tells me that the system board is going through at least PART of
the
> > POST, so the CPU is the problem. Does that seem like an accurate
> assessment?
> > This pisses me off - I was looking forward to being able to run GP3 and
> F12K,
> > and running GPL with all the details on...

> > Eldred
> > --
> > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
> > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
> > F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26...

> > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats
> you
> > with experience...
> > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

by **Tex** » Tue, 27 Mar 2001 00:45:05

If that doesn't work, then you may have a component mb adapter plugged into
the mb the wrong way. This happaned to me when I built my system, and since
there's nothing to how you exactly which way the plugs to your mb's
component interfaces are supposed to go, I had to use trial and error to
find the right direction on all of these. I'm not talking about the
components that have the harness that plugs into the outlet from the power
supply, but rather the few (CPU, ground, power/reset buttons, etc.) that
plug straight onto the mother board and fit over 2 or 3 prongs. Good luck.
The effort will be worth it!

> Make sure your not shorting your mb out with the mounting screws. If you
> can, remove the screws and see if it will power up - if so, you have one
> shorting out somehow - add each one back in one at a time and try booting
> till you find the culprit.
> I had this problem when I built my first system, and it about drove me
nuts
> till I figured out I was shorting the mb.

> --
> Don Burnette
> D Burnette in N4

> Some people do nothing wrong.
> The problem is, they do nothing.
> And THAT is wrong.

> > I'm in the process of building a new system. Athlon 1.1G, V5 video,
etc.
> I
> > powered it on - it doesn't work(no bootno display, no beep). I tried
the
> ram
> > and video in another system, they work fine. That leaves either the
> system
> > board or CPU. When I turn on the system, the lights on the keyboard
> flash,
> > then go out like normal. After that, hitting capslock or scroll lock
> don't
> > turn on the associated lights. The fact that the lights come on in the
> first
> > place tells me that the system board is going through at least PART of
the
> > POST, so the CPU is the problem. Does that seem like an accurate
> assessment?
> > This pisses me off - I was looking forward to being able to run GP3 and
> F12K,
> > and running GPL with all the details on...

> > Eldred
> > --
> > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
> > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
> > F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26...

> > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats
> you
> > with experience...
> > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

by **HeadHunte** » Tue, 27 Mar 2001 00:51:33

It does sound to me like something may not be right with the motherboard.
Take a good look and make sure it's mounted correctly. I had one a ways back
that gave me fits getting to boot (just as you describe). Ended up having
something to do with the metal post mount toward the back of the case. I
replaced it and the paper washers and it worked fine. Never did know exactly
what was wrong with that post.

Double and triple check all, if any, jumpers your motherboard has. Could be
CPU related and may be the clocking or voltages have not been set correctly.

Also, make sure the internal speaker is connected correctly. I may be
spitting out POST beep codes and you just can't hear them.

Try and old PCI video card if you have one laying around. Could be the AGP
port. Also, try it without any addin cards in the system.Pull out sound,
game controllers and any other cards you may have in the system.

Last thing I would do is boot it up without a video card and without the
keyboard plugged in. It MUST be spitting POST beep codes at that point.
Hopefully, your motherboard doesn't have on board video.

Well, that was almost the last thing I would try. The absolute last thing I
would try would be to return the motherboard CPU combo back for replacement
parts. ;)

HH

by **Doug Hoo** » Tue, 27 Mar 2001 02:00:39

Hey Eldred,
I just built a new system yesterday and I can't believe the difference. I
went from a PII350 with V5 5500 PCI to a 1.2GHZ AMD T-Bird(oc'd to 1333)
and GeForce 2 GTS 64 meg. Haven't re-loaded GPL yet but I did load N4. HOLY
SHIT!! Liquid smooth with all eye candy and full field and draw distance
and mirrors.

You won't be disapointed.

What motherboard do you have? I know on my abit kt7a raid if you don't have
the cpu fan plugged into fan header 1 on the motherboard the system will
shut itself off after 3 or 4 seconds to prevent damage to the cpu. What are
the exact system specs you are trying to put together? This will greatly
help people who are trying to diagnose your problem.Hope this helps. Good
luck.
Doug

by **Pierre Robitaill** » Tue, 27 Mar 2001 02:02:47

> I'm in the process of building a new system. Athlon 1.1G, V5 video, etc. I
> powered it on - it doesn't work(no bootno display, no beep). I tried the ram
> and video in another system, they work fine. That leaves either the system
> board or CPU. When I turn on the system, the lights on the keyboard flash,
> then go out like normal. After that, hitting capslock or scroll lock don't
> turn on the associated lights. The fact that the lights come on in the first
> place tells me that the system board is going through at least PART of the
> POST, so the CPU is the problem. Does that seem like an accurate assessment?
> This pisses me off - I was looking forward to being able to run GP3 and F12K,
> and running GPL with all the details on...

If your motherboard is an ABIT KT7, take a look at the troubleshooting
section at this page: http://home.wanadoo.nl/howland/kt7faq/kt7faq.htm.

by **Roger Squire** » Tue, 27 Mar 2001 03:00:04

I also had problems with mine and it turned out the ram was not compatible.
It did however beep. I also had a problem when the cpu was not fully
seated. What you should do is remove everything including ram and cpu and
powerup and watch its behaviour. If the cpu fans, hds and lights turn on
and it beeps the mobo is probably ok. Triple check your jumper settings
etc, and plug one thing in at a time. You may need to swap parts especially
ram with other machines to find compatible parts.

rms

by **Ian Greenwoo** » Tue, 27 Mar 2001 06:32:07

On Sun, 25 Mar 2001 17:00:39 GMT, "Doug Hook"

>What motherboard do you have? I know on my abit kt7a raid if you don't have
>the cpu fan plugged into fan header 1 on the motherboard the system will
>shut itself off after 3 or 4 seconds to prevent damage to the cpu.

Doug

I have the same board and did exactly the same thing last weekend -
took me 2 hours to figure out (despite the fact the CPU fan was
working)

To the original poster - things like this can be very difficult and
annoying to pin down. You may have to take the whole thing to bits
again (sorry) and carefully reassemble it to simply check and find out
the fault

Ian

by **Eldre** » Tue, 27 Mar 2001 07:12:37

>What motherboard do you have? I know on my abit kt7a raid if you don't have
>the cpu fan plugged into fan header 1 on the motherboard the system will
>shut itself off after 3 or 4 seconds to prevent damage to the cpu. What are
>the exact system specs you are trying to put together? This will greatly
>help people who are trying to diagnose your problem.Hope this helps. Good
>luck.
> Doug

AZ11 mobo, Athlon 1.1G, Voodoo 5, 128MB. The CPU fan is plugged in correctly,
and it *is* spinning....
<checks a few more things...>

Hmm...I just pulled all the screws out of the motherboard as Don suggested, and
disconnected all drive cables. I have a startup screen now. Ok, so the mobo
and CPU *do* work(whew...). Now I just have to figure out what was
shorted/connected wrong...

Eldred
--
Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26...

Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you
with experience...
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by **Thom j** » Tue, 27 Mar 2001 07:25:47

I have been monitoring this thread Eldred. I am glad you are getting results
and the RAS'ers are giving great input!! Hang in there buddy. It seems like
you're on the right track & especially with this NGs help! Well Done guyz!
It's even refreshing to see it as we've had too many negative posts lately &
No guyz I ain't getting "sappy".. hahahaha <big grin!>
Cheers Thom_j.

| AZ11 mobo, Athlon 1.1G, Voodoo 5, 128MB. The CPU fan is plugged in
correctly,
| and it *is* spinning....
| <checks a few more things...>
|
| Hmm...I just pulled all the screws out of the motherboard as Don
suggested, and
| disconnected all drive cables. I have a startup screen now. Ok, so the
mobo
| and CPU *do* work(whew...). Now I just have to figure out what was
| shorted/connected wrong...
|
| Eldred

by **Brett C. Camma** » Tue, 27 Mar 2001 07:26:11

That's the FIC board, no? I d/l'd the manual and printed it off to
study. Let us know what you think of it after you've got it working
and have lived with it for a while. I'm thinking about it and an 800
Duron to fit my budget.

Regards,
Brett C. Cammack

(remove the DOTs from my return address to reply privately)

by **Morgan V. Woote** » Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:16:43

One problem I had with my KT7A and 1.2 AMD was that a fan *had* to be installed
on FAN1 or the thing refused to boot. I had an awesome fan, but it was hooked
directly to the power supply.

--

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Morgan Vincent Wooten
http://home.earthlink.net/~morganv00/
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by **Eldre** » Wed, 28 Mar 2001 20:41:06

>I have been monitoring this thread Eldred. I am glad you are getting results
>and the RAS'ers are giving great input!! Hang in there buddy. It seems like
>you're on the right track & especially with this NGs help! Well Done guyz!
>It's even refreshing to see it as we've had too many negative posts lately &
>No guyz I ain't getting "sappy".. hahahaha

I got happy too quick. It's not working again. I put in 2 screws - worked
fine. Put in a 3rd, it stopped working. Ok...took that***back out -
nothing. Took the OTHER 2 out - nothing. WTF?!? This thing is about to go
out the window... >:-[

Eldred
--
Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
Homepage - http://www.racesimcentral.net/~epickett
F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26...

Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you
with experience...
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by **Eldre** » Wed, 28 Mar 2001 20:41:04

>>What motherboard do you have? I know on my abit kt7a raid if you don't have
>>the cpu fan plugged into fan header 1 on the motherboard the system will
>>shut itself off after 3 or 4 seconds to prevent damage to the cpu.

>Doug

>I have the same board and did exactly the same thing last weekend -
>took me 2 hours to figure out (despite the fact the CPU fan was
>working)

>To the original poster - things like this can be very difficult and
>annoying to pin down. You may have to take the whole thing to bits
>again (sorry) and carefully reassemble it to simply check and find out
>the fault

Well, since it's not really 'together' yet, it's easy to yank the motherboard
back out. I *still* don't see what's wrong with it... :(

Eldred
--
Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
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with experience...
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